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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sfield" data-source="post: 4749934" data-attributes="member: 38146">Real Numbers Analysis and the Book Industry As I was reviewing the lawsuit information it states that they have sold hundreds of thousand of "Core Books"  If you go to Wizards website and look at their product list almost every "Core" book is included with the exception of Forgotten Realms. I'm thinking they are pulling a fast one on the definition of Core Books not just to mean the 3 Core Books. I've have been trying to find hard sales figures and until now have been unsuccessful. Doing a google search I found out about the Ingram Inventory Automated Checker.  Ingram is a book supplier (one of the largest) that you can obtian sales numbers through. They have an automated system (615) 213-6803 and all you have to do is type in a ISBN number and it will give you the sales numbers for the books they have distributed for Last year and the current year. You can check my numbers if you like. I also didn't check every book but most of them. I have read on other websites that if you multiply by a factor of 6 these numbers somewhat represent US sales. I don't know if that is true. There are some pay for service firms that will provide hard numbers as well. I don't feel the need to pay for those services.  However, from what I see in Chicago, the books are not selling well at the local game shops and Borders and Barnes and Nobles have significantly shrunk the area in the store where they sell the books and maintain fewer copies.  BTW: Even though the PHB2 is suppoed to be sold out I have found it for sale in dozens of stores with mutliple copies still for sale. In any case these are some REAL hard numbers of sale and I would say they are a bit dissapointing. Taken as of 4/9/2009In any case from the system:The 4th Edition Core Gift SetYTD: 123 2008: 2,200 The 4th Edition Players Hand BookYTD: 197 2008: 5,785 The 4th Edition Deluxe Players HandbookYTD: 1 2008: 25 Totalled: 8,331 copies of the Players Handbook have sold.If we multiply that by 6 (See Above) that gives us a sales level of 49,986 units. The Players Handbook II:YTD: 1,440 2008: N/A With the Multiplier factor we get: 8,640 units To be on the best seller list I have also read that you can get on with sales at a minimum level of 5,000 weekly units. The fact that PHB2 is higher rated than the PHB on the New York times bestseller list means nothing. It is all based on how the competeting books are doing. I believe the print run for PHB2 is lower than PHB1.  If you look at the rest of the numbers you will see that their accessory products don't sell that well. Take it for what it's worth but they are real numbers at least. 4th Edition Core Rulebook Gift SetYTD: 123 2008: 2,200Adventurer's VaultYTD: 116 2008: 1,127An Adventurer's Guide to Eberron: 0786948558 YTD: 8 2008: 88D&D Dungeon Tiles VI: Fane of the Forgotten Gods 0786948000YTD: 52 2008: 252Draconomicon I:YTD: 68 2008: 132DU1 Halls of the Giant Kings Dungeon Tile 0786948736 YTD: 0 2008: 256 DU2 Streets of Shadow Dungeon Tiles 0786949791 YTD: 255 2008: 244Dungeon Delve 0786951397 YTD: 362 2008: 0Dungeon Master's Guide 0786948809 YTD: 82 2008: 1,440Dungeon Master's Screen 0786949279YTD: 180 2008: 485Forgotten Realms Campaign GuideYTD: 61 2008: 603Forgotten Realms Player's Guide 0786949295 YTD: 151 2008: 1,666H1 Keep on the Shadowfell 0786948507 YTD: 120 2008: 828H2 Thunderspire Labrynth 0786948728 YTD: 11 2008: 326H3 Pyramid of Shadows 078694935X YTD: 36 2008: 238Manual of the PlanesYTD: 309 2008: 519Monster Manual 0786948523 YTD: 124 2008: 2,237Open Grave 0786950692 YTD: 124 2008: 2237P1 King of the Trollhaunt Warrens 0786949287 YTD: 15 2008: 137P2 Demon Queen's Enclave 0786949775 YTD: 47 2008: 47P3 Assault on Nightwyrm Fortress 0786950005 YTD: 18 2008: 0Players HandbookYTD: 197 2008: 5,785Wizards Presnts: Worlds and Monsters 0786948027 YTD: 7 2008: 523Players Handbook 2YTD: 1,440 2008: N/ADeluxe Players Handbook 0786950439 YTD: 1 2008: 25Deluxe DM's Guide 0786950447 YTD: 0 2008: 19Deluxe Monster Manual 0786950455 YTD: 1 2008: 143.5 Players Handbook: 0786928867 YTD: 0 2008: 426 The automated site also supplies expected demand number for the week and sales last week. This is the best you are going to do for Free. It only goes back to 2008.</blockquote>

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