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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pyk" data-source="post: 1430982" data-attributes="member: 14254">Which is why some of us, such as myself, do not approve of the new rules. Forcing us to buy new books to use these rules is ludicrous, when I already have a set of perfectly good rules here (3.0). In 3.0, the bonus from ioun stones may or may not have upped the skills, with the applicable penalty for removing them (as you pointed out). New rules, new game.As far as inherent bonuses in 3.5, I see these as the same as the level advancement increment. It's a permanent increase, therefore it counts as base stat. It cannot be dispelled, or otherwise removed, only supressed (as in the case of feeblemind).It really works both ways, and quite well. The only thing is to remain consistent with it.Personally, as with the mental stats carrying over to the new form, the inherent bonus will carry over, so why should not the physical inherent bonus? Again, my thought is because the inherent bonus becomes part of the base stat. But, this is strictly for my games, as I cannot rule yours.</blockquote>