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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 5556167" data-attributes="member: 18280">Well, I would say that 4e is clear in this as well, but OTOH, I am embroiled in what -- 3? 4? -- threads where it is argued that the DM cannot or should not &quot;Say No&quot; to knocking a snake prone.&nbsp; A lot of folks reading the later materials seem to have gotten a different idea.For example, I am responding to 5th Element here, but in the other thread, when I pointed out that the ability of the DM to supercede the rules is explicit in 4e, we still haven't gotten past &quot;But it's in the rules!&nbsp; That makes changing a PC's power different&quot; there (not an exact quote, but I can get one if I need to).It seems to me that the &quot;Say Yes&quot; philosophy espoused by WotC is fully embraced to mean &quot;Say Yes to the Players, regardless&quot; when it suggested that the DM not do so, but instantly means something else when that philosophy is criticized in any way, shape, or form.Also, I note that the 3.5 DMG predates (AFAICT) the &quot;Say Yes&quot; meme, which is directly related to (IMHO) &quot;Everything's Core&quot; and &quot;Pay For Our Subscription Model, Please, You Really Do Need It To Keep UP!&quot;.YMMV.RC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 5556167, member: 18280"] Well, I would say that 4e is clear in this as well, but OTOH, I am embroiled in what -- 3? 4? -- threads where it is argued that the DM cannot or should not "Say No" to knocking a snake prone. A lot of folks reading the later materials seem to have gotten a different idea. For example, I am responding to 5th Element here, but in the other thread, when I pointed out that the ability of the DM to supercede the rules is explicit in 4e, we still haven't gotten past "But it's in the rules! That makes changing a PC's power different" there (not an exact quote, but I can get one if I need to). It seems to me that the "Say Yes" philosophy espoused by WotC is fully embraced to mean "Say Yes to the Players, regardless" when it suggested that the DM not do so, but instantly means something else when that philosophy is criticized in any way, shape, or form. Also, I note that the 3.5 DMG predates (AFAICT) the "Say Yes" meme, which is directly related to (IMHO) "Everything's Core" and "Pay For Our Subscription Model, Please, You Really Do Need It To Keep UP!". YMMV. RC [/QUOTE]

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