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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Eltern" data-source="post: 1491636" data-attributes="member: 5870">About half of them are noted, yes, but what it basically says is "We didn't do anything to balance this out."  Yes, there are now only two kinds of "tough," tough and not tough.  But the classes were designed with more possible variations, and now some of the balance is thrown off. Took your advice and browsed through the d20 Modern SRD, something I had never done.  I also checked out Wounds/Vitality points.  For some random reason, I also looked at Ken's Grim and Gritty rules.  Here's what I thought:I'm looking for a system/combination of systems where people do not generally get hit.  They dodge and weave a lot or wear some armor so when they are hit it just sloughs off.  However, the reason people are doing this is because if they do get hit (usually with a pistol or somesuch) they are either unconcious or nearly there pretty much off the bat.  What you get then is an action pointsy kind of thing where people are shooting from behind a table then somersaulting over behind a support beam, then hit the guy on the back of the head and he's out.  Modern: I wanted the "base" rules to be D&D fantasy, but I tried to look past that.  I liked the idea that death by massive damage was more likely, but the damage output of the weapons was not high enough to get to where I was going (given the hit dice of the characters and only needing to roll a 15 on your Fort).Vitality/Wounds: Basically didn't quite get there.  Close, but it didn't seem getting hit was "dangerous enough." Could be bad, yes, but not often.Grim n Gritty: Good, generally, but seems people will get hit more often than I like.  Also, fireball just kills everyone instantly, which is annoying.   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> I think part of the problem is not having seen these different systems in action, so I cannot make a very educated assessment of them.  Maybe what I'm going for has never been had spot on before, or maybe one of these IS it, but I don't recognize it...</blockquote>

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