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<blockquote data-quote="P1NBACK" data-source="post: 5878519" data-attributes="member: 83768">What's great about this post is that you did exactly what he said people do and dismiss something out of hand because you subjectively think a mechanic is better because it's more &quot;streamlined&quot; and &quot;modern&quot;. You know what? I frickin' hate 4E defenses with a passion. The game took what was once a crucial point in a player's interaction with the game - rolling dice - and took that away from them for the sake of &quot;simplicity&quot;. There's a real psychological suck that comes when your character is about to potentially have some horrible thing happen to them, and instead of the outcome being in their hands - literally, with the dice - they get to sit there and have someone else roll for them. Yay. This is one thing every other edition got right with saves and 4E ruined. But, hey, that's just my opinion. And I'm not presenting it as some kind of TRUTH.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="P1NBACK, post: 5878519, member: 83768"] What's great about this post is that you did exactly what he said people do and dismiss something out of hand because you subjectively think a mechanic is better because it's more "streamlined" and "modern". You know what? I frickin' hate 4E defenses with a passion. The game took what was once a crucial point in a player's interaction with the game - rolling dice - and took that away from them for the sake of "simplicity". There's a real psychological suck that comes when your character is about to potentially have some horrible thing happen to them, and instead of the outcome being in their hands - literally, with the dice - they get to sit there and have someone else roll for them. Yay. This is one thing every other edition got right with saves and 4E ruined. But, hey, that's just my opinion. And I'm not presenting it as some kind of TRUTH. [/QUOTE]

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