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<blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 5887369">I disagree ENTIRELY.&nbsp; The fighter is not a &quot;plain vanilla class&quot;, it is the martial master.&nbsp; Nobody is better at melee combat that the fighter.&nbsp; The Paladin, the Ranger, the Barbarian, they give things up in order to become better at certain things.&nbsp; The Ranger loses some armor and weapon proficiency in order to get favored enemies and bow mastery(sorry two-blade ranger folks).&nbsp; The barbarian loses almost all forms of martial mastery to hit harder with big things.&nbsp; The paladin loses diversity in favor of a very particular fighting styles.This doesn't help at all.&nbsp; Now Jimmy is 5th level while Timmy is 4th level, when Jimmy turns 6th level Fighter; Timmy will get all his OP 5th level magic and still be more powerful than the fighter.&nbsp; Remember all those &quot;linear fighter, quadratic wizard&quot; debates?&nbsp; That's inherently the problem.&nbsp; At 10th level the fighter may hit 3 times, but he doesn't hit 3 times as hard, meanwhile the 10th level wizard is doing 10-caster levels worth of damage in any round, which is usually about ten times the damage of a single weapon attack.No, they aren't.&nbsp; The Paladin doesn't get squat for being 4 and 1/2 level when the Fighter is 5th.&nbsp; But when the Paladin hits 5th level he gets more than the Fighter who is 5 and 1/4th level.And at certain power checkpoints, such as 10th or 20th where leveling can just stop Paladins will either be stupidly lagging behind or massively OP.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sunseeker, post: 5887369"] I disagree ENTIRELY. The fighter is not a "plain vanilla class", it is the martial master. Nobody is better at melee combat that the fighter. The Paladin, the Ranger, the Barbarian, they [I]give things up[/I] in order to become better at certain things. The Ranger loses some armor and weapon proficiency in order to get favored enemies and bow mastery(sorry two-blade ranger folks). The barbarian loses almost all forms of martial mastery to hit harder with big things. The paladin loses diversity in favor of a very particular fighting styles. This doesn't help at all. Now Jimmy is 5th level while Timmy is 4th level, when Jimmy turns 6th level Fighter; Timmy will get all his OP 5th level magic and [I]still[/I] be more powerful than the fighter. Remember all those "linear fighter, quadratic wizard" debates? That's inherently the problem. At 10th level the fighter may hit 3 times, but he doesn't hit 3 times as hard, meanwhile the 10th level wizard is doing 10-caster levels worth of damage in any round, which is usually about ten times the damage of a single weapon attack. No, they aren't. The Paladin doesn't get squat for being 4 and 1/2 level when the Fighter is 5th. But when the Paladin hits 5th level he gets more than the Fighter who is 5 and 1/4th level. And at certain power checkpoints, such as 10th or 20th where leveling can just [I]stop[/I] Paladins will either be stupidly lagging behind or massively OP. [/QUOTE]

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