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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5888519" data-attributes="member: 82106">This tells you how utterly irrelevant this stuff was, because I couldn't even tell you what the 2e follower rules look like. Never used them even once in 10 years. I know the 1e ones, and in 1e followers are mostly pretty much crud. A 1e fighter has a 4% chance of getting a single 7th level follower with some magic items. Any other followers are 0 level 100% of the time. There are other problems with using this as a balancing factor. Many campaigns simply don't follow the pattern that is assumed by the follower rules. Many players are simply not interested in being obliged to develop their character in that direction. These rules seem awkwardly grafted onto particularly one specific class that is supposed to represent a WIDE variety of different possible character concepts. IMHO in any modern incarnation of D&amp;D this kind of benefit should be decoupled from a specific class. If a player wants to be a ruler then that's great, have some sort of PP that lets you do that. Forcing every fighter player to play that 'destiny' and depriving them of practically any other interesting feature and claiming that followers and strongholds is their REWARD for their class choice sucking just makes no sense at all and in 2012 is not good or even mediocre game design.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5888519, member: 82106"] This tells you how utterly irrelevant this stuff was, because I couldn't even tell you what the 2e follower rules look like. Never used them even once in 10 years. I know the 1e ones, and in 1e followers are mostly pretty much crud. A 1e fighter has a 4% chance of getting a single 7th level follower with some magic items. Any other followers are 0 level 100% of the time. There are other problems with using this as a balancing factor. Many campaigns simply don't follow the pattern that is assumed by the follower rules. Many players are simply not interested in being obliged to develop their character in that direction. These rules seem awkwardly grafted onto particularly one specific class that is supposed to represent a WIDE variety of different possible character concepts. IMHO in any modern incarnation of D&D this kind of benefit should be decoupled from a specific class. If a player wants to be a ruler then that's great, have some sort of PP that lets you do that. Forcing every fighter player to play that 'destiny' and depriving them of practically any other interesting feature and claiming that followers and strongholds is their REWARD for their class choice sucking just makes no sense at all and in 2012 is not good or even mediocre game design. [/QUOTE]

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