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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8438567" data-attributes="member: 87792">For me, and for you, there is little difference. But we are not 100% of the potential players of 4e or even close. There definitely are players who prefer stances and I've DM'd for two at the same table who were struggling a bit with 4e until one of them got to play a scout (not even a slayer) and another a pyromancer (elementalist).These are also not normally people who worry about the optimal action - just one that's good enough. And before you say that the scout isn't any simpler than e.g. a 4e PHB Ranger, for you and me this would be right. But he had two years of 4e experience and by the second session he was far far more fluid with the rebuilt scout than he had been with the ranger he'd been playing for three months.I think people really really don't understand that different people have different thought processes and don't all think the same way. And seriously underestimate that one of the strengths of a class system is being able to cater more effectively to different players.</blockquote>