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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 8438678" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>So, how do you reconcile the refresh rates for a Slayer and a Wizard (even the Essentials one)? 'Broadened' means nothing to me, they are simply not compatible.</p><p></p><p>Hey, I bought a lot of 4e stuff and brought in plenty of people that weren't already playing it. Seems to me like the opinions and tastes of your supporters might be important, but WotC instead put a guy in charge that didn't believe in the game, and apparently didn't understand it.</p><p></p><p>You can, obviously, just make statements like that, but without any logic behind it, they're of little value, aren't they?</p><p></p><p>You are picking a stance and then making an attack. How is that a different number of/simpler set of, decisions from making an At-Will attack, which is what I compared it to? Oh, and if you are then going to make a Power Attack, that's ANOTHER decision. "hitting and moving" IS making those decisions. I mean, if you want, we can draw out the decision trees, I'm 100% sure of what the answer is.</p><p></p><p>Except they did value them. Once you hit 10th level, Slayer starts to really fall flat. I mean, you can find some deep charops tricks to pump it up on the DPR front, so it will basically be 'playable' in a sense, but it will just do basically one thing over and over, like charging (which is the best option mechanically). The other similar e-classes, the thief for instance, are even more problematic. Thematically the Sentinel is OK, but it too loses dramatically to the Druid at higher levels. I get it, Mearls decided everything past 10th level was worthless. A lot of people didn't agree.</p><p></p><p>Want to go through the decision trees? You're going to be disappointed.</p><p></p><p>I think its pretty clear that the sales numbers for Essentials were not good. It was neither fish nor fowl.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 8438678, member: 82106"] So, how do you reconcile the refresh rates for a Slayer and a Wizard (even the Essentials one)? 'Broadened' means nothing to me, they are simply not compatible. Hey, I bought a lot of 4e stuff and brought in plenty of people that weren't already playing it. Seems to me like the opinions and tastes of your supporters might be important, but WotC instead put a guy in charge that didn't believe in the game, and apparently didn't understand it. You can, obviously, just make statements like that, but without any logic behind it, they're of little value, aren't they? You are picking a stance and then making an attack. How is that a different number of/simpler set of, decisions from making an At-Will attack, which is what I compared it to? Oh, and if you are then going to make a Power Attack, that's ANOTHER decision. "hitting and moving" IS making those decisions. I mean, if you want, we can draw out the decision trees, I'm 100% sure of what the answer is. Except they did value them. Once you hit 10th level, Slayer starts to really fall flat. I mean, you can find some deep charops tricks to pump it up on the DPR front, so it will basically be 'playable' in a sense, but it will just do basically one thing over and over, like charging (which is the best option mechanically). The other similar e-classes, the thief for instance, are even more problematic. Thematically the Sentinel is OK, but it too loses dramatically to the Druid at higher levels. I get it, Mearls decided everything past 10th level was worthless. A lot of people didn't agree. Want to go through the decision trees? You're going to be disappointed. I think its pretty clear that the sales numbers for Essentials were not good. It was neither fish nor fowl. [/QUOTE]
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