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<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 8440017" data-attributes="member: 82504"><p>Right neither were out till 2020.... and I was looking in 2019. Very slow. (how many years into the game was that?)</p><p></p><p>I was looking at 5 years of development. So there is your tu quoque.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I feel they made the obvious translation rather poor, Eldritch Knight p-poor Swordmage (can't defend others with magic at all or teleport regularly) and Battlemaster similar issues to Warlord.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Einstein was a creative genius (and actually pretty charismatic in the classic sense too dodging certain questions poetically), he went to others when he wanted a mathematician to help create proofs to back his creative inspiration.</p><p></p><p>I would say 4e actively didnt at first want my wizard can do EVERYTHING to be a thing till Mearles took over so yes the developers wanted Arcane Striker to be farmed out into Sorcerers and Warlocks, I very much think on purpose.</p><p></p><p>I can spend a couple feats and the right background to transform a 4e ranger into a fighter for every intent and purpose its basically a flavor difference too. (not good enough for people who wanted the name of their chain or scale using striker to be "fighter")</p><p></p><p>Just like I think my two favorite classes the Swordmages and Warlords were either impossible or a pain to build in a satisfying way in 5e and its very much seemed to be on purpose. (I know its paranoia insert smiley here). The latter because of course "Warlords cannot shout arms back on!"</p><p></p><p>Pretending roles arent real seemed to be a big thing at first for 5e... it took til November 2017 before they even had a defender able to attack anyone rushing past at level 18.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 8440017, member: 82504"] Right neither were out till 2020.... and I was looking in 2019. Very slow. (how many years into the game was that?) I was looking at 5 years of development. So there is your tu quoque. I feel they made the obvious translation rather poor, Eldritch Knight p-poor Swordmage (can't defend others with magic at all or teleport regularly) and Battlemaster similar issues to Warlord. Einstein was a creative genius (and actually pretty charismatic in the classic sense too dodging certain questions poetically), he went to others when he wanted a mathematician to help create proofs to back his creative inspiration. I would say 4e actively didnt at first want my wizard can do EVERYTHING to be a thing till Mearles took over so yes the developers wanted Arcane Striker to be farmed out into Sorcerers and Warlocks, I very much think on purpose. I can spend a couple feats and the right background to transform a 4e ranger into a fighter for every intent and purpose its basically a flavor difference too. (not good enough for people who wanted the name of their chain or scale using striker to be "fighter") Just like I think my two favorite classes the Swordmages and Warlords were either impossible or a pain to build in a satisfying way in 5e and its very much seemed to be on purpose. (I know its paranoia insert smiley here). The latter because of course "Warlords cannot shout arms back on!" Pretending roles arent real seemed to be a big thing at first for 5e... it took til November 2017 before they even had a defender able to attack anyone rushing past at level 18. [/QUOTE]
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