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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6833868" data-attributes="member: 996">Simple numbers illustrate beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the concept is represented to even a tiny fraction of the extent it was in it's original (and still, only) version.  It might be handled to your satisfaction - but, as someone who wants the concept excluded entirely, 'to your satisfaction' could mean any handling no matter how poor or trivial, all the way down to 'none at all.'  Besides, the point was that you were claiming it couldn't handle the concept as 4e did because 4e was a different game.  Not being able to handle a concept as well as another game is not exactly claiming even parity.   But you were wrong in that assertion:  4e was a different edition of the same game, and it was a much more structured one with more constrained design space.  5e is much more capable of incorporating and handling concepts from other editions, including, trivially, 4e.  Stop denying it that virtue.Further, the agenda you own up to is merely that you want the Warlord class to be optional.  You can rest assured it will be.  You could have done so before participating in this thread, as there's no plausible scenario for a class becoming non-optional.  Probably from the early days of the game.  There weren't a lot of social resolution systems back then, and the ones there were - morale, loyalty, reaction - applied exclusively to NPCs.You make a good point.  Resolution system in 5e are as functional if one of the 3 mental stats is involved as they are if one of the 3 physical stats is involved.  And the result of that is actually to expand player agency, since you can choose to play a character who is less like you in terms of those 3 stats.  You could always play a barbarian much stronger than you, but playing a character smarter, wiser or more charismatic than yourself used to have little bearing on anything beyond spellcasting and henchmen.  It's been slowly expanding.  In 5e, checks can potentially model such characters quite nicely, assuming the DM rules appropriately when those stats might come up.</blockquote>

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