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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ChrisCarlson" data-source="post: 6837927" data-attributes="member: 6801216">You seem to have a low bar (or perhaps too specific a bar?) for what you consider an "expert warrior".Really? So now you need two PCs pooling resources as justification? Besides, bardic inspiration wouldn't really help the wizard all that much. A bonus to a single attack roll, using a sub-par weapon, to deal middling damage even if successful? Meh.I recall providing an answer. You just didn't like it.Are we really changing the topic to 40th level play? But okay, it really wouldn't matter anyway. I'm confident I would still make the game fun for everyone. Even you.First, applause for the clever use of statistical math to make the modest increase look bigger than it really is (and more impactful than it would prove at the table, as well). But why is the cleric required to use a weapon chosen specifically because the fighter gains a benefit from it? Regardless, and more importantly, you forgot that that first level war cleric can occasionally make two attacks in a round? The first level fighter only ever gets one. That would impact your math rather significantly. And makes the fighter look pretty lame by comparison. Because that's something he can't do. Not even once a day (the minimum number of times the cleric can do it).Okay. But the cleric actually has 10 HP + 2d8+4 (or maybe +6). So they are really pretty close.Another strawman. I never said he was not. I contested your unsupportable claim that a war cleric is not an expert warrior.I'm starting to see the issue. You appear to have a very binary opinion of classes (see current example). There is only ever first place, and all the rest are in last place. No wonder you are seeking some kind of kitchen sink warlord class. It needs to be the best because all the current options, no matter how playable, are "basic" to this mythical warlord's "expert" (to use your own categorizational standards).I just don't think you are going to ever see that. Officially at least. Speaking of which, how is your homebrew warlord coming along?</blockquote>

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