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<blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 4195903" data-attributes="member: 111">??I am very confused by this statement.&nbsp;&nbsp; Since there has been much discussion, can you summarize how you have, using the rules, addressed each of the following:1.&nbsp; Bardic music is not, in and of itself, an ability, it is a &quot;category&quot; of abilities.&nbsp; (Thus no disallowance of &quot;using the same ability twice&quot; argument has any validity).&nbsp; Inspire Courage is a Supernatural ability.&nbsp; Inspire Greatness is a Supernatural ability.&nbsp; Fascinate is a Spell-like ability.&nbsp; Etc., etc.2.&nbsp; Bardic music abilities that do not require concentration (which included the &quot;Inspire&quot; abilities) do not require an action to maintain (Though I will agree that a free action to make the appropriate sounds is implied as a requirement).3.&nbsp; Prohibited actions while maintaining a bardic music ability are: &quot;cast spells, activate magic items by spell completion (such as scrolls), spell trigger (such as wands), or command word&quot;&nbsp; That is the list of prohibited actions in its entirety, which is really the core of my argument.4.&nbsp; One may use a Supernatural ability while maintaining a bardic &quot;inspire&quot; ability.5.&nbsp; The &quot;Inspire&quot; abilities are Supernatural abilities.6.&nbsp;&nbsp; No new performance is required to start a different &quot;Inspire&quot; ability.I agree that conditions that prohibit a bard from taking any actions (stunned, dead, etc.) would certainly prevent one from maintaining any bardic music abilities, though this has no bearing whatsoever on my argument.I have no opinion (at this time) on the appropriateness of the rules as written.&nbsp; I'd be happy to debate that, but first let's stick to what the rules actually say.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Artoomis, post: 4195903, member: 111"] ?? I am very confused by this statement. Since there has been much discussion, can you summarize how you have, [b][i]using the rules,[/i][/b][i][/i] addressed each of the following: 1. Bardic music is not, in and of itself, an ability, it is a "category" of abilities. (Thus no disallowance of "using the same ability twice" argument has any validity). Inspire Courage is a Supernatural ability. Inspire Greatness is a Supernatural ability. Fascinate is a Spell-like ability. Etc., etc. 2. Bardic music abilities that do not require concentration (which included the "Inspire" abilities) do not require an action to maintain (Though I will agree that a free action to make the appropriate sounds is implied as a requirement). 3. Prohibited actions while maintaining a bardic music ability are: "cast spells, activate magic items by spell completion (such as scrolls), spell trigger (such as wands), or command word" [b][i]That is the list of prohibited actions in its entirety,[/i][/b][i][/i] which is really the core of my argument. 4. One may use a Supernatural ability while maintaining a bardic "inspire" ability. 5. The "Inspire" abilities are Supernatural abilities. 6. No new performance is required to start a different "Inspire" ability. I agree that conditions that prohibit a bard from taking any actions (stunned, dead, etc.) would certainly prevent one from maintaining any bardic music abilities, though this has no bearing whatsoever on my argument. I have no opinion (at this time) on the appropriateness of the rules as written. I'd be happy to debate that, but first let's stick to what the rules actually say. [/QUOTE]

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