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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 3289878" data-attributes="member: 2525">First, BOED came out in October of 2003, four months AFTER the release of 3.5 in July 2003.&nbsp; The authors specifically said in an interview about the book that they had full access to the 3.5 rules when writing it.Second, it grants a +2/+2 instead of a +1/+1, and has a built in large cost which the others do not.&nbsp; I do not see how it is &quot;utterly and completely broken&quot;.If you mean all aspects of Words of Creation taken together make it broken, I can see that perspective.&nbsp; But if you really mean the application being discussed here (Celestial Choir), I am having a hard time seeing where you are coming from.&nbsp; There is noting &quot;3.0ish&quot; about it.&nbsp; It's an additional +1/+1 over other feats, but causes you 3d4 nonlethal damage (and it uses the phrase nonlethal damage instead of subdual damage, further verifying it is 3.5), and large entry requirements, and has large ethical requirements on the character.&nbsp; I think it's balanced to get that extra +1/+1 with the damage you take and other requirements and restraints.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 3289878, member: 2525"] First, BOED came out in October of 2003, four months AFTER the release of 3.5 in July 2003. The authors specifically said in an interview about the book that they had full access to the 3.5 rules when writing it. Second, it grants a +2/+2 instead of a +1/+1, and has a built in large cost which the others do not. I do not see how it is "utterly and completely broken". If you mean all aspects of Words of Creation taken together make it broken, I can see that perspective. But if you really mean the application being discussed here (Celestial Choir), I am having a hard time seeing where you are coming from. There is noting "3.0ish" about it. It's an additional +1/+1 over other feats, but causes you 3d4 nonlethal damage (and it uses the phrase nonlethal damage instead of subdual damage, further verifying it is 3.5), and large entry requirements, and has large ethical requirements on the character. I think it's balanced to get that extra +1/+1 with the damage you take and other requirements and restraints. [/QUOTE]

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