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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 4170273" data-attributes="member: 1656">I think we're looking at the same text and getting different results.If I say "Here's a bonus apple.  It's red, like a regular apple."... do we assume that it is not round?The way that I'm reading it, the creature gains 2 bonus hit dice (stated), and they count as regular hit dice for the purpose of spells whose effects depend on hit dice (stated).  Because they are hit dice, I know other things about them unless contradicted... and the text doesn't contradict anything except to specify they are d10s.You're saying that despite the fact that hit dice are defined, all the features of hit dice must be restated in the ability text or they cease to be true.I'm saying that by calling them hit dice, they function as hit dice except where the ability text says they don't.If the bonus apple I handed you is red, double-deckered, inedible, and carries Japanese tourists around Buckingham Palace, then there wasn't really any point in calling it an apple... the only relationship to an apple is that it's red.  There are a whole lot of things about apples that can be assumed... but not in this case, because despite calling it an apple, I only did so to explain the colour.  Calling it an apple is, in fact, not merely confusing but incorrect.-Hyp.</blockquote>