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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 4177843" data-attributes="member: 111">What re-phrasing?  What meaning did I change?  Please point it out.  The Monster Manual rules say that 1 HD humanoids (which is all normal PCs) do not get humanoid hit die features.  I only added clarifying text in brackets because I ripped those sentences out of context, but that did not change the meaning.And no, not all rules apply equally to all creatures.  Some monster rules do not apply to PCs.  If the rule says it applies to "monsters," than it is not a PC rule.All rules about adding racial hit die in the core rules are in the section on improving monsters - that section does not apply to "characters" or even "creatures" in general, but to "monsters."  Yes, monsters and characters are both "creatures," but not all "creatures" are characters.While the term "creature" is indeed used above the "Creature Improvement by Type" table, that table itself is limited in applicability by the fact that it is within the section on "improving monsters" and even further, specifically states that, "Note that if a creature acquires a character class, it improves according to its class, not its type. "Yet MORE evidence that this table does not apply to PCs.While it is indeed true that most rules for monsters and PCs are the same, the rules for improving monsters (which includes the "Creature Improvement by Type" table) do not apply to normal PCs.  PCs are not monstersNow, what evidence do YOU have that this table applies to PCs?  Merely the fact that the table is title "Creature Improvement by Type?"Yet I have shown by three seperate pieces of rules evidence that:1.  This table does not apply to PCS because it is dealing with improving mosters.2.  This table does not apply to PCs because of its own note: "Note that if a creature acquires a character class, it improves according to its class, not its type. "3.  This table does not apply to PCs because: PCs are "Humanoids with [a Monster Manual entry of] 1 Hit Die" and thus "exchange the features of their humanoid Hit Die for the class features of a PC or NPC class."Anyone one of those is convincing by iteslf, together they should be considered ovehwelming evidence.Even if we were to ignore (1) and (3) above, as you seem to be doing, how do you deal with the note "that if a creature acquires a character class, it improves according to its class, not its type?"</blockquote>

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