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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 4178131" data-attributes="member: 2525">These are not listed as optional rules.  When rules are optional, they call them out as optional (like sidebars or Unearthed Arcana). It's not a CORE book, but that is different from being an optional rule.  In this case, it's WOTC using the CORE rules in an expansion book.You can decline to use books other than CORE books, but I do not see why it's helpful, particularly if it helps clarify the issue by looking to see what WOTC does with it's own rules.This is a shift in your position.  You were saying earlier that the Racial Hit Dice rules were reserved just for NPCs/Monsters.  Now, you are saying they can be used for PCs, but just initially and not through an improvement.  But, you don't have backing for that part (yet).  All of your prior posts on the topic assumed a total dismissal of the Racial Hit Dice rules in their entirety for PCs.  Now that we both agree they can be used for PCs, the burden is on you to show why temporary hit dice wouldn't work that way.I disagree.  We don't know what the CORE means in this case, and looking to an expansion book from WOTC that uses those CORE rules in an example case, like the PC Gnoll or Centaur or whatever, is helpful in figuring out what those CORE rules mean.  Besides, the meaning of CORE was degraded a long time ago.  Multiclassing rules for prestige classes were left to the Complete books, Swift and Immediate actions were found in expansion books, and the Rules Compendium specifically overrides the CORE books anyway.  Whatever value there was in sticking to CORE-only for a debate, I think it's long gone, and even more-so for an issue that is in fact found in the CORE books it's just unclear how to use it (MM is CORE, and so is PHB, and both speak to what happens when something gains hit dice, and an expansion book is helpful in understanding what that thing is since the CORE fails to explain it in sufficient detail for folks like yourself to be satisfied)."You cannot use the racial hit dice rules for PCs" position is not compelling.  Arguing:"it shouldn't be used in this case" is more compelling than:"it cannot be used in any case, because of obscure interpretations of what is or is not CORE and what a Monster vs. a Creature is, and only if we don't look at expansion books even when those books are using CORE rules to apply them to a new race."You should focus on your most compelling argument (that it shouldn't work that way in this case) and not stick to shaky ground (that it cannot work that way in any case).</blockquote>

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