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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5336645" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>The difference is this power is FAR more general in its applicability than other powers. The problem with your argument is that it is easily dispelled by reductio ad absurdum. Obviously there are powers that theoretically could exist that would be unacceptable. By your logic ANYTHING is fair game. Once you accept that any possible theoretical power is not acceptable then you want to look at the ACTUAL powers that already exist. Instant Friends stands out like a sore thumb. </p><p></p><p>As I've said before, there are a NUMBER of key differences between a ritual and a power. With a power the DM has to balance the opportunity cost vs the utility (since the actual effects of the power are effectively entirely on the DM's shoulders). With a ritual no such balancing need be done. The DM can make it as useful or useless as he cares to. At most the player is out the cost of buying/transcribing the ritual. </p><p></p><p>Instant Friends is almost GUARANTEED to be a point of contention EVERY time it is used. What exactly happens when you toss it on an enemy and then initiate combat with that enemy's allies? This is going to happen nearly every adventuring day. </p><p></p><p>Then there is the effect of this kind of thing on plot development. Now, granted in theory the ritual has a similar issue here, but given that it really cannot be used against anyone hostile to you and is otherwise fairly easy for the DM to make it impossible to pull off in a situation he's not interested in having it work in the issue is a lot less. You have NO idea when a PC wizard is going to pop off the power and most players are clever enough to cotton to the golden opportunities they WILL get. Trust me, I've DMed since literally forever, I know whereof I speak. You're just not going to like it. </p><p></p><p>On top of that if this is the standard for powers in 4e now then what's next? Charm Person was a royal PITA but there are PLENTY of other equally poor choices of older spells to bring back. If the criteria is low enough that one as questionable as CP is being resurrected then what next? I really don't want to know. Not every single possible wizardly magical power that could possibly exist SHOULD exist.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5336645, member: 82106"] The difference is this power is FAR more general in its applicability than other powers. The problem with your argument is that it is easily dispelled by reductio ad absurdum. Obviously there are powers that theoretically could exist that would be unacceptable. By your logic ANYTHING is fair game. Once you accept that any possible theoretical power is not acceptable then you want to look at the ACTUAL powers that already exist. Instant Friends stands out like a sore thumb. As I've said before, there are a NUMBER of key differences between a ritual and a power. With a power the DM has to balance the opportunity cost vs the utility (since the actual effects of the power are effectively entirely on the DM's shoulders). With a ritual no such balancing need be done. The DM can make it as useful or useless as he cares to. At most the player is out the cost of buying/transcribing the ritual. Instant Friends is almost GUARANTEED to be a point of contention EVERY time it is used. What exactly happens when you toss it on an enemy and then initiate combat with that enemy's allies? This is going to happen nearly every adventuring day. Then there is the effect of this kind of thing on plot development. Now, granted in theory the ritual has a similar issue here, but given that it really cannot be used against anyone hostile to you and is otherwise fairly easy for the DM to make it impossible to pull off in a situation he's not interested in having it work in the issue is a lot less. You have NO idea when a PC wizard is going to pop off the power and most players are clever enough to cotton to the golden opportunities they WILL get. Trust me, I've DMed since literally forever, I know whereof I speak. You're just not going to like it. On top of that if this is the standard for powers in 4e now then what's next? Charm Person was a royal PITA but there are PLENTY of other equally poor choices of older spells to bring back. If the criteria is low enough that one as questionable as CP is being resurrected then what next? I really don't want to know. Not every single possible wizardly magical power that could possibly exist SHOULD exist. [/QUOTE]
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