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<blockquote data-quote="Balesir" data-source="post: 5345419" data-attributes="member: 27160">*Sigh*...It's not a very well defined one, but at least it limits use to a well-defined scope - the caster look like a different creature when using the power.&nbsp; Thus they will be reacted to as that other creature (be counted as an ally, etc.) until given away.&nbsp; Somewhat fuzzy, sure, but not as totally open ended as &quot;trusted friend&quot;.The DM can always block a power use if so inclined, so powers are no &quot;better&quot; than skills in this respect; but the DMG has guidelines for skill DCs (albeit that they keep changing...), and overruling those is no different to overruling any other rule.&nbsp; Going outside those guidelines could be viewed as arbitrary and unreasonable - whereas with judgements on what &quot;trusted friend&quot; means, the lines are totally undefined.Unless you decide they don't know the answer.&nbsp; Or you decide they think it will put their life or belongings at risk to answer.Seems MrMyth disagrees, but I think they should be barred from attacking.&nbsp; That makes two of us, but it seems not to be universal.And the person who decides the NPC doesn't know is...?&nbsp; Or decides that they perceive that answering will put their life or property at risk?&nbsp; It's just as open to blocking as the skill cases - but there aren't even any guidelines (as there are for skill DCs).Maybe.&nbsp; Or maybe I think the fact that there are defined DCs for skills in the rules whereas there are not defined criteria for &quot;what an NPC knows&quot; or for &quot;when an NPC might imagine its life or property is at risk&quot; means the case is actually quite the opposite.If the creature is alone, I don't see why not - straight Bluff checks could do so (&quot;I'm just taking them to get cleaned - I'll bring them back in a jiffy!&quot;).&nbsp; Not that the creature won't remonstrate, call for help from the master, block the exit and generally make things awkward.&nbsp; Any other guards are not barred from attacking - and a return attack ends the effect.&quot;No action to cause damage to the caster&quot; may actually be better - then grabs and restraining effects are possible.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Balesir, post: 5345419, member: 27160"] *Sigh*... It's not a very [I]well[/I] defined one, but at least it limits use to a well-defined scope - the caster look like a different creature when using the power. Thus they will be reacted to as that other creature (be counted as an ally, etc.) until given away. Somewhat fuzzy, sure, but not as totally open ended as "trusted friend". The DM can always block a power use if so inclined, so powers are no "better" than skills in this respect; but the DMG has guidelines for skill DCs (albeit that they keep changing...), and overruling those is no different to overruling any other rule. Going outside those guidelines could be viewed as arbitrary and unreasonable - whereas with judgements on what "trusted friend" means, the lines are totally undefined. Unless you decide they don't know the answer. Or you decide they think it will put their life or belongings at risk to answer. Seems MrMyth disagrees, but [I]I[/I] think they should be barred from attacking. That makes two of us, but it seems not to be universal. And the person who decides the NPC doesn't know is...? Or decides that they perceive that answering will put their life or property at risk? It's just as open to blocking as the skill cases - but there aren't even any guidelines (as there are for skill DCs). Maybe. Or maybe I think the fact that there are defined DCs for skills in the rules whereas there are not defined criteria for "what an NPC knows" or for "when an NPC might imagine its life or property is at risk" means the case is actually quite the opposite. If the creature is alone, I don't see why not - straight Bluff checks could do so ("I'm just taking them to get cleaned - I'll bring them back in a jiffy!"). Not that the creature won't remonstrate, call for help from the master, block the exit and generally make things awkward. Any other guards are not barred from attacking - and a return attack ends the effect. "No action to cause damage to the caster" may actually be better - then grabs and restraining effects are possible. [/QUOTE]

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