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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 5348668" data-attributes="member: 61155">Like I said, I don't have any actual experience with anything that early to really draw upon. But looking over the posted versions from earlier in the thread, the Charm spells seem long-lasting and made it pretty easy to get someone to hand over their possessions, while the Friends spells seem much shorter in duration and focused more on just increasing someone's natural reaction to the caster.  I mean, the big abuses of the power, in my mind, have always been the ability to basically enslave personal servants, or easily use the power to claim someone's valuable possessions. I don't see any limits preventing that in earlier versions of the power. I do in the current version.  If there are "substantially the same limits" on those abuses, what are they?  Let me, perhaps, rephrase that. The power isn't flawed because the flaws and failures you are concerned about already exist independently of the power. And that, in my opinion, you can't remove those possible problems from the system without codifying and limiting the game to an extent that would introduce a ton of much more serious issues.   Dude, not cool. I know you've got a smiley there, I know you are including yourself somewhat in that sentiment, but putting words in my mouth like that really isn't cool, especially when it is a sentiment I really disagree with.  I'm not saying, "Anyone who can't figure out these rules deserves to have their campaign screwed up." I'm saying, "Anyone who has issues develop from this rule was already likely to run into similar issues with many other elements of the game." I've given examples of other possible issues in the game. I've asked how you would address them. You've haven't addressed or acknowledged those questions. That's fine - I'm not trying to win a debate here, I'm just trying to share my reasons for my opinion of this power. But if you aren't willing to acknowledge those points or those reasons, I'd really appreciate it if you didn't instead portray my point as something else completely.  I like that 4E has a game that is accessible to new DMs, and that can be run without needing a DM to already 'know the hidden rules' and be skilled at navigating issues presented by problem powers. I don't think this power changes that, and you do - fair enough.  But saying I don't think this is a problem power is very different from saying I think that problem powers are fine because good DMs can work around them.</blockquote>

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