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<blockquote data-quote="EnglishScribe" data-source="post: 783077" data-attributes="member: 4375"><p>Mordane76, thank you for your time, and the obvious effort you have provided in giving feedback. </p><p></p><p>Classically Modern, at present, is still a beta document, so any comments or suggestions that you think will add to the work, or improve balance, are very welcome.</p><p></p><p>Now, on with the questions...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No. The character MUST spend all class features on the lists available for the class that grants the feature. So a character with three levels of Tough Hero advancing as a ist level Daredevil must select a talent from the list of talent trees given for the Daredevil, in this case from Adrenaline.</p><p></p><p>Note that the D20 Modern advanced classes (not the archaic ones) retain ALL the options they have in the rulebook, and gain nothing new.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You are right. The traditions are not mutually exclusive, and a character can gain more than one, either at the cost of a feat or an FX. From an FX point of view the character must sacrifice a caster level in order to gain the tradition, but as a feat they might present a balance problem. I might consider a rule stating that a character can only cast spells from one tradition, but this is a bit limiting. WHat do you think?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hmmm, they do not provide the bonuses that some of the other, more specialised, foci provide - but I see what you mean. Perhaps a prerequisite on Scholarly and Divination foci, but this may result in a beginning Wizard or Cleric having access to a lot less spells than in the D&D rules...</p><p></p><p>I am going to add a prerequisite to Scholarly Focus: Int 13+, Knowledge (arcane lore) ranks equal to double the caster level </p><p></p><p>And to Divination Focus: Wis 13+, Knowledge (religion) ranks equal to double the caster level </p><p></p><p>- remember that at any point a character no longer meets the requirements for a feat, the feat CANNOT be used, even if the character already has the feat.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Gain levels in another class that offers access to the same caster Talent Trees, such as Artificer (magic item creation) or Spell Shaper (metamagic).</p><p></p><p>Remember that the caster levels from the same Talent Trees stack, even if purchased from different classes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Anything listed as an FX Talent can be purchased using an FX class feature and/or a class talent.</p><p></p><p>So it is entirely possible, IF THE CHARACTER MEETS THE PREREQUISITES OF THE TALENT, to spend *both* on Innate caster. Unfortunately (for the character <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ), the prerequisites for the Improved and Advanced Innate Caster talents act to prevent this abuse.</p><p></p><p>And you are right, it is a grand departure from standard, using a Classically Modern archaic class, caster level does not necessarily equal class level - but the new classes offer a much greater range of possible characters.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Thanks</p><p>Antony Walls</p><p><a href="http://members.lycos.co.uk/merlinsworkshop/" target="_blank">http://members.lycos.co.uk/merlinsworkshop/</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EnglishScribe, post: 783077, member: 4375"] Mordane76, thank you for your time, and the obvious effort you have provided in giving feedback. Classically Modern, at present, is still a beta document, so any comments or suggestions that you think will add to the work, or improve balance, are very welcome. Now, on with the questions... No. The character MUST spend all class features on the lists available for the class that grants the feature. So a character with three levels of Tough Hero advancing as a ist level Daredevil must select a talent from the list of talent trees given for the Daredevil, in this case from Adrenaline. Note that the D20 Modern advanced classes (not the archaic ones) retain ALL the options they have in the rulebook, and gain nothing new. You are right. The traditions are not mutually exclusive, and a character can gain more than one, either at the cost of a feat or an FX. From an FX point of view the character must sacrifice a caster level in order to gain the tradition, but as a feat they might present a balance problem. I might consider a rule stating that a character can only cast spells from one tradition, but this is a bit limiting. WHat do you think? Hmmm, they do not provide the bonuses that some of the other, more specialised, foci provide - but I see what you mean. Perhaps a prerequisite on Scholarly and Divination foci, but this may result in a beginning Wizard or Cleric having access to a lot less spells than in the D&D rules... I am going to add a prerequisite to Scholarly Focus: Int 13+, Knowledge (arcane lore) ranks equal to double the caster level And to Divination Focus: Wis 13+, Knowledge (religion) ranks equal to double the caster level - remember that at any point a character no longer meets the requirements for a feat, the feat CANNOT be used, even if the character already has the feat. Gain levels in another class that offers access to the same caster Talent Trees, such as Artificer (magic item creation) or Spell Shaper (metamagic). Remember that the caster levels from the same Talent Trees stack, even if purchased from different classes. Anything listed as an FX Talent can be purchased using an FX class feature and/or a class talent. So it is entirely possible, IF THE CHARACTER MEETS THE PREREQUISITES OF THE TALENT, to spend *both* on Innate caster. Unfortunately (for the character ;) ), the prerequisites for the Improved and Advanced Innate Caster talents act to prevent this abuse. And you are right, it is a grand departure from standard, using a Classically Modern archaic class, caster level does not necessarily equal class level - but the new classes offer a much greater range of possible characters. Thanks Antony Walls [url]http://members.lycos.co.uk/merlinsworkshop/[/url] [/QUOTE]
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