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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mordane76" data-source="post: 785075" data-attributes="member: 7172">Okay -- so a wizard or sorcerer could spend both their Talent spot and FX spot on their caster level-increasing option, but only up to a certain maximum number of expenditures, because of the Knowledge requirements in the Talent.But the way the talents and requirements work, a wizard could take Arcane Caster twice in their first level, giving them an Caster Level of two as a Wiz1.  At Wiz2, they could take Arcane Caster once (Caster Level 3), and then Improved Arcane Caster as their FX, assuming they have at least three ranks in Knowledge (Arcana).  This is a Wiz2 with a Caster Level of 4.  Now, at Wiz3, he uses his FX slot on Improved Arcane Caster for Caster Level 5.At Wiz4 he can (because the skills is a class skill) have Knowledge (Arcana) 8, because he can place up to Character Level +3 ranks into this skill, and he is easily a 5th level character (Knowledge (Arcana) is not listed an exclusive skill).  So, at Wiz4, he can spend both his Talent and his FX on Advanced Arcane Caster, giving him a Caster level of 7 at Wiz4.  After a certain point, yes, the wizard can only add one Advanced Arcane Caster (because he'll have maxed out Knowledge (arcana), and will only be able to add one rank to it per level), but up to that point, he can bust out Caster Level like no one's business, if he's willing to sacrifice added umph in specialized spell lists.  If this is incorrect, what restriction am I missing that would prevent this?I know this the above is just an exercise to see IF the rules can be bent to do something outrageous, but unless I'm forgetting something from d20 Modern, this could create a very unbalanced situation very fast.  Most characters are probably going to be Smart Hero/Wizard 3/4 when they get to this point, so a Caster Level of 7 might not be too outrageous (depending on the magic level in your campaign), but if this is so, then why would ANYONE ever use the Mage or Acolyte AdC from the Urbana Arcana section?  Perhaps, since casters get these special FX slots, ONLY FX slots can be used to purchase abilities marked as FX abilities.  This may seriously hamper some advancement, and it will force arcanists to choose wisely before they take an FX feat or talent.  Also, I'm a sucker for extremely low to low magic systems, especially in modern and post-modern settings... so it would be cool from my POV.</blockquote>

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