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[Intellectual challenge] Justify a paladin being a member of a thieves' guild
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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 3680635" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>How to have a Paladin commit armed robbery:</p><p></p><p>1) Find someone who is both wealthy and despicable. (ei who detects as evil and who the Paladin knows by reputation to be dishonorable)</p><p>2) Approach said person, and ask them to voluntarily make restitution. Preferably, do this in as confrontational of manner as possible. What is a high charisma for if not goading villians into making a mistake?</p><p>3) If you haven't already wheedled them into attacking you, find pretext to challenge them to a duel. This shouldn't be too hard. Turn the conversation to some matter where they are sure to say something you'll find insulting.</p><p>4) If they refuse an honorable duel, and you can't wheedle them, try to detain them in the name of your deity because of thier wicked ways.</p><p>5) After defeating them, take thier stuff as legimate plunder of war. Most legal codes based on pre-modern law will allow this. Tithe and set aside the portion for the legitimate government (either the current one or the one 'in waiting' if the current one isn't legitimate). Keep the rest to do good works with, like for example, easing the suffering of the poor.</p><p></p><p>Depending on how despicable the mark is, you can probably get away with skipping a few steps. </p><p></p><p>Alternative plan:</p><p></p><p>1) Obtain the right to assess taxes, conferred on you by some legitimate authority, including 'the rightful king in exile'. </p><p>2) Find someone discable that owes back taxes (if this is on behalf of the 'king in exile' then its probably everyone). Appropriate thier stuff as is allowed by the law. If they resist, apply appropriate penalties for resisting an officer of the law. </p><p></p><p>It's not so much a question of what you do, it's why you do it, who you do it too, and under what authority you can do it. Lawfulness I think allows for a certain amount of creative explotation of loopholes in what the law says provided you are not doing so out of self-interest or other non-lawful or non-good motive. Certainly I can see a deity excepting an argument that sometimes bending the letter of the law better serves its spirit and intention (for example, ensuring justice and protecting the innocent).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 3680635, member: 4937"] How to have a Paladin commit armed robbery: 1) Find someone who is both wealthy and despicable. (ei who detects as evil and who the Paladin knows by reputation to be dishonorable) 2) Approach said person, and ask them to voluntarily make restitution. Preferably, do this in as confrontational of manner as possible. What is a high charisma for if not goading villians into making a mistake? 3) If you haven't already wheedled them into attacking you, find pretext to challenge them to a duel. This shouldn't be too hard. Turn the conversation to some matter where they are sure to say something you'll find insulting. 4) If they refuse an honorable duel, and you can't wheedle them, try to detain them in the name of your deity because of thier wicked ways. 5) After defeating them, take thier stuff as legimate plunder of war. Most legal codes based on pre-modern law will allow this. Tithe and set aside the portion for the legitimate government (either the current one or the one 'in waiting' if the current one isn't legitimate). Keep the rest to do good works with, like for example, easing the suffering of the poor. Depending on how despicable the mark is, you can probably get away with skipping a few steps. Alternative plan: 1) Obtain the right to assess taxes, conferred on you by some legitimate authority, including 'the rightful king in exile'. 2) Find someone discable that owes back taxes (if this is on behalf of the 'king in exile' then its probably everyone). Appropriate thier stuff as is allowed by the law. If they resist, apply appropriate penalties for resisting an officer of the law. It's not so much a question of what you do, it's why you do it, who you do it too, and under what authority you can do it. Lawfulness I think allows for a certain amount of creative explotation of loopholes in what the law says provided you are not doing so out of self-interest or other non-lawful or non-good motive. Certainly I can see a deity excepting an argument that sometimes bending the letter of the law better serves its spirit and intention (for example, ensuring justice and protecting the innocent). [/QUOTE]
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