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[Intellectual challenge] Justify a paladin being a member of a thieves' guild
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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 3680940" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>My major quibble with taking what is deemed "fair" is that it is both deceptive (I will threaten violence so that he gives me money, not because I intend or desire to do him violence) and vengeful (he has screwed others, so he can get screwed!).</p><p></p><p>While neither thing would exclude you from a Good alignment, IMO, they're both solidly dishonorable. An upright member of society, with integrity and honesty doesn't regularly deceive, nor does she pursue vengeance, but rather justice. It's the difference between "taking it back" for the poor and fighting the evil itself...and if they were to fight the evil itself, I don't think it would make much sense to attack the rich to give to the poor, rather it would make sense to directly attack the corrupt authority that allows them to do this, and then change the laws so that justice was done. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>IMO, no. Skulking around dark corners and taking the petty vengeance aren't traits of honesty and upright behavior. It's impossible to be honorable and to make a habit of being obscure and stealthy. Honor makes you approach everything directly, which means that the problem of the rich preying on the poor would be handled not by random acts of banditry on the rich, but rather by directly undoing the system that props them up and instituting one that is more just. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh! That might be a situation in which a Paladin could be a member in good standing of a theives' guild. If he only relieves people of items of a cursed or evil nature, things that are incapable of doing good in anyone's hands, he could honorably demand that they relinquish it, and, if they don't, he could honorably *take* it by force, for their own good. </p><p></p><p>Such a guild might operate out of a church, and specialize in acquiring and destroying evil artifacts and the instruments of evil. </p><p></p><p>Yeah, that actually sounds pretty nifty, good idea, Klaus. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 3680940, member: 2067"] My major quibble with taking what is deemed "fair" is that it is both deceptive (I will threaten violence so that he gives me money, not because I intend or desire to do him violence) and vengeful (he has screwed others, so he can get screwed!). While neither thing would exclude you from a Good alignment, IMO, they're both solidly dishonorable. An upright member of society, with integrity and honesty doesn't regularly deceive, nor does she pursue vengeance, but rather justice. It's the difference between "taking it back" for the poor and fighting the evil itself...and if they were to fight the evil itself, I don't think it would make much sense to attack the rich to give to the poor, rather it would make sense to directly attack the corrupt authority that allows them to do this, and then change the laws so that justice was done. IMO, no. Skulking around dark corners and taking the petty vengeance aren't traits of honesty and upright behavior. It's impossible to be honorable and to make a habit of being obscure and stealthy. Honor makes you approach everything directly, which means that the problem of the rich preying on the poor would be handled not by random acts of banditry on the rich, but rather by directly undoing the system that props them up and instituting one that is more just. Oh! That might be a situation in which a Paladin could be a member in good standing of a theives' guild. If he only relieves people of items of a cursed or evil nature, things that are incapable of doing good in anyone's hands, he could honorably demand that they relinquish it, and, if they don't, he could honorably *take* it by force, for their own good. Such a guild might operate out of a church, and specialize in acquiring and destroying evil artifacts and the instruments of evil. Yeah, that actually sounds pretty nifty, good idea, Klaus. :) [/QUOTE]
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