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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 7858677" data-attributes="member: 93670">I'm not [USER=20323]@Quickleaf[/USER] , but I 1000% understood the problem he was addressing &amp; see it with depressing regularity.&nbsp; The d20 contributes more to success or failure of knowledge checks than your skill in a way that works out to being the equivalent of someone who enjoys baking making a pie, cake, or loaf of their favorite bread from memory (or even a recipe) having a not insignificant chance of accidentally making potroast while someone from the uncontacted <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinelese">Sentinelese</a> tribe has an equally good chance of seeing a commercial grade kitchen for the first time&nbsp; &amp; flawlessly baking/decorating a wedding cake.&nbsp; All of that combined leads to a situation where the most skilled &amp; likely to know something like an astronomer will ask to make a roll about (inter)stellarmechanics get a result, and have 5 flat earthers who could not even tell you the number of planets&nbsp; ask the same question &amp; have an only slightly worse chance of suddenly knowing every planet the astronomer couldn't remeber.&nbsp;&nbsp; Using the yellow musk creeper example, the lizardman asks &amp; gets a result, the wizard asks &amp; ok sure maybe it's justified.. but that justification starts to wear thin when the fighter, bard, monk, pally, rogue, cleric, &amp; barbarian all chime in &quot;I want to check what I know too&quot;.&nbsp; All combined it devalues the knowledge skill &amp; overvalues the dice.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 7858677, member: 93670"] I'm not [USER=20323]@Quickleaf[/USER] , but I 1000% understood the problem he was addressing & see it with depressing regularity. The d20 contributes more to success or failure of knowledge checks than your skill in a way that works out to being the equivalent of someone who enjoys baking making a pie, cake, or loaf of their favorite bread from memory (or even a recipe) having a not insignificant chance of accidentally making potroast while someone from the uncontacted [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinelese']Sentinelese[/URL] tribe has an equally good chance of seeing a commercial grade kitchen for the first time & flawlessly baking/decorating a wedding cake. All of that combined leads to a situation where the most skilled & likely to know something like an astronomer will ask to make a roll about (inter)stellarmechanics get a result, and have 5 flat earthers who could not even tell you the number of planets ask the same question & have an only slightly worse chance of suddenly knowing every planet the astronomer couldn't remeber. Using the yellow musk creeper example, the lizardman asks & gets a result, the wizard asks & ok sure maybe it's justified.. but that justification starts to wear thin when the fighter, bard, monk, pally, rogue, cleric, & barbarian all chime in "I want to check what I know too". All combined it devalues the knowledge skill & overvalues the dice. [/QUOTE]

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