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Message: <blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 8849710" data-attributes="member: 59057">If you substitute player knowledge for character knowledge, there is nothing you can do.If you do frequent lore/investigation checks a we do, int is not totally a waste.Do you have players flex their muscles if you want them to open a door? Or do you let them always smooth talk to have their characters get something in game? The problem with int and cha to an extend is, that some people who play that game are absolutely against using those two stats to solve social encounters or mental  challenges. They think that this is something the player's charisma and knowledge should do. If you as a DM encourage that, yes, int and cha are always dumb stats. And if noone bats an eye, that the 8 int barb solves every puzzle and the 8 cha druid is the face of the party, that is cool. And then, if noone objects, that every str 8 character carries 1000s of coins, even better. But if you ignore rules and complain about dump stats, that is at least partially on you.</blockquote>