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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8851336" data-attributes="member: 93670">Getting a +20 from attributed should have only been possible with punpun type thought experiment shenanigans or newbie gm &quot;oops&quot; growing pains. Even starting at a rolled 18 a level 20 PC would only have 5x +1 attribute bumps (4/8/12/16/20) for 23.&nbsp; A +4 attrib item could bump that to 27 for +8 but without a +8 attrib item it would be pretty impossible to get +10 from attribs.The oned&amp;d stuff seems to be doing a bit of overhaul here &amp; there so far to knock out some bad choices made in 5e.&nbsp; The skill system combined with bounded accuracy already leaves <a href="https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/48414/roleplaying-games/1dd-the-5e-skill-system-is-bad" target="_blank">a lot to be desired</a> in ways that wouldn't make some degree of overhaul justified.&nbsp; Doing it either directly or as a drop in replacement module could work well.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8851336, member: 93670"] Getting a +20 from attributed should have only been possible with punpun type thought experiment shenanigans or newbie gm "oops" growing pains. Even starting at a rolled 18 a level 20 PC would only have 5x +1 attribute bumps (4/8/12/16/20) for 23. A +4 attrib item could bump that to 27 for +8 but without a +8 attrib item it would be pretty impossible to get +10 from attribs. The oned&d stuff seems to be doing a bit of overhaul here & there so far to knock out some bad choices made in 5e. The skill system combined with bounded accuracy already leaves [URL='https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/48414/roleplaying-games/1dd-the-5e-skill-system-is-bad']a lot to be desired[/URL] in ways that wouldn't make some degree of overhaul justified. Doing it either directly or as a drop in replacement module could work well. [/QUOTE]

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