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<blockquote data-quote="Doctor Proctor" data-source="post: 4553100" data-attributes="member: 78547">Well, I was originally writing something about some different ways of looking at the issue and needing clarification from CS or the Errata, but I tossed all that out when I saw the below.This clearly states that when using a Heavy Thrown weapon you are making a Ranged Basic Attack, not a Melee Basic Attack with a special range property like some kind of super-reach.&nbsp; This is important.Then take a look at p287 of the PHB for the power description of a Ranged Basic Attack.&nbsp; The description has the &quot;Ranged Weapon&quot; keyword only, nothing else.&nbsp; Below that is the line &quot;Special: Weapons with the heavy thrown property (see page 216) use Strength instead of Dexterity for attack rolls and damage rolls.&quot;&nbsp; Since this special line is under the power description that includes only the &quot;Ranged Weapon&quot; keyword, this means that when attacking at range with a Heavy Thrown weapon it is only counting as a Ranged Weapon in that attack.&nbsp; This would be a specific rule that is saying that a Ranged Basic Attack with a Thrown Weapon is counting it as a Ranged Weapon.That's pretty cut and dry, and pretty much invalidates any possibility of Intelligent Blademaster applying to Heavy Thrown weapons.&nbsp; It's quite clear that when you're using the thrown weapon in a ranged attack, it counts as a ranged weapon only.&nbsp; There is no specific rule dealing with melee weapons making ranged attacks, only with Heavy Thrown weapons functioning as a Ranged Weapon when making a Ranged Basic Attack.&nbsp; This might be something to look into suggesting an Errata for, but until one comes out, I don't see any way to apply a bonus for melee weapons to a ranged weapon, which is what you're using when you're attacking with a Heavy Thrown weapon.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Doctor Proctor, post: 4553100, member: 78547"] Well, I was originally writing something about some different ways of looking at the issue and needing clarification from CS or the Errata, but I tossed all that out when I saw the below. This clearly states that when using a Heavy Thrown weapon you are making a Ranged Basic Attack, not a Melee Basic Attack with a special range property like some kind of super-reach. This is important. Then take a look at p287 of the PHB for the power description of a Ranged Basic Attack. The description has the "Ranged Weapon" keyword only, nothing else. Below that is the line [I]"Special: Weapons with the heavy thrown property (see page 216) use Strength instead of Dexterity for attack rolls and damage rolls."[/I] Since this special line is under the power description that includes only the "Ranged Weapon" keyword, this means that when attacking at range with a Heavy Thrown weapon it is only counting as a Ranged Weapon in that attack. This would be a specific rule that is saying that a Ranged Basic Attack with a Thrown Weapon is counting it as a Ranged Weapon. That's pretty cut and dry, and pretty much invalidates any possibility of Intelligent Blademaster applying to Heavy Thrown weapons. It's quite clear that when you're using the thrown weapon in a ranged attack, it counts as a ranged weapon only. There is no specific rule dealing with melee weapons making ranged attacks, only with Heavy Thrown weapons functioning as a Ranged Weapon when making a Ranged Basic Attack. This might be something to look into suggesting an Errata for, but until one comes out, I don't see any way to apply a bonus for melee weapons to a ranged weapon, which is what you're using when you're attacking with a Heavy Thrown weapon. [/QUOTE]

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