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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4553313" data-attributes="member: 71571">I don't need a rule that states explicitly that it's a melee weapon and a ranged weapon.&nbsp; It says explicitly that the item in question is a melee weapon.&nbsp; While it also states that it counts as a ranged weapon, it does not state it is no longer a melee weapon.Why would it stop being a melee weapon?&nbsp; At which point?&nbsp; Please state the -explicit rule- that says 'This is no longer a melee weapon' or something similiar.Your arguement is based on an assumption that a weapon gives up properties when nothing explicitly states so.&nbsp; Counting as a ranged weapon is not the same as 'stops being a melee weapon.'&nbsp; It only means that it can be used as a ranged weapon.&nbsp; Nothing more.&nbsp; You are assigning rulesbaggage to it that does not exist.Here's your logical fallacy:&nbsp; You are stating that a weapon cannot be a melee weapon and a ranged weapon.&nbsp; To support your claim you bring up a rule that says a melee weapon can under certain circumstances be treated as a ranged weapon.&nbsp; The rule says, verbatim 'counts as a ranged weapon.'&nbsp; This means that for the sake of powers requiring it, it can substitute as a ranged weapon.However, it does not say 'IS a ranged weapon.'&nbsp; Which means that even if ranged weapon and melee weapon were exclusive properties (there is no evidence that says they are), the melee weapon never -becomes- a ranged weapon, it merely -acts- like one.&nbsp; Thusly the weapon remains melee.Let's take this one step further.&nbsp; I can't find a rule that says a melee weapon can't be used in a ranged-type power.&nbsp; However, ranged-type powers do not inherently -work- with melee weapons lacking the range entry, because ranged-type powers involving weapons have the range of 'weapon' which non-thrown melee weapons cannot satisfy.&nbsp; Therefore the use of a Ranged power does not assume the weapon is a ranged weapon, because there is no rule requiring it.&nbsp; The range entry of the weapon is what qualifies it, and that is something possessed by both melee and ranged weapons.&nbsp; Powers with Melee weapon, by contrast are concerned with the reach of the weapon, which is by definition 1 unless the weapon has the reach property.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 4553313, member: 71571"] I don't need a rule that states explicitly that it's a melee weapon and a ranged weapon. It says explicitly that the item in question is a melee weapon. While it also states that it counts as a ranged weapon, it does not state it is no longer a melee weapon. Why would it stop being a melee weapon? At which point? Please state the -explicit rule- that says 'This is no longer a melee weapon' or something similiar. Your arguement is based on an assumption that a weapon gives up properties when nothing explicitly states so. Counting as a ranged weapon is not the same as 'stops being a melee weapon.' It only means that it can be used as a ranged weapon. Nothing more. You are assigning rulesbaggage to it that does not exist. Here's your logical fallacy: You are stating that a weapon cannot be a melee weapon and a ranged weapon. To support your claim you bring up a rule that says a melee weapon can under certain circumstances be treated as a ranged weapon. The rule says, verbatim 'counts as a ranged weapon.' This means that for the sake of powers requiring it, it can substitute as a ranged weapon. However, it does not say 'IS a ranged weapon.' Which means that even if ranged weapon and melee weapon were exclusive properties (there is no evidence that says they are), the melee weapon never -becomes- a ranged weapon, it merely -acts- like one. Thusly the weapon remains melee. Let's take this one step further. I can't find a rule that says a melee weapon can't be used in a ranged-type power. However, ranged-type powers do not inherently -work- with melee weapons lacking the range entry, because ranged-type powers involving weapons have the range of 'weapon' which non-thrown melee weapons cannot satisfy. Therefore the use of a Ranged power does not assume the weapon is a ranged weapon, because there is no rule requiring it. The range entry of the weapon is what qualifies it, and that is something possessed by both melee and ranged weapons. Powers with [B]Melee[/B] weapon, by contrast are concerned with the reach of the weapon, which is by definition 1 unless the weapon has the reach property. [/QUOTE]

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