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<blockquote data-quote="BlivetWidget" data-source="post: 7633514" data-attributes="member: 6912801"><p>Birds are already smart. Have you seen the shenanigans a raven can get up to? Go watch some youtube videos of ravens solving puzzles and stuff. A recent study at Lund University (Sweden) determined that ravens have a higher IQ than chimpanzees. I've read articles in National Geographic describing them as smarter than human children as well (anecdotally described, but in fitting with the Lund findings). Now, we could argue over the meaning of IQ, but the takeaway point here is that corvids are not dumb. In fact, I'd argue that most animals are far <em>far </em>more intelligent than most people give them credit for. The only reason people think animals are dumb is because we can't communicate with them. And you know, we haven't found a way to speak their language either, despite our significant advantage of written language (more on that in a moment).</p><p></p><p>Point the second... everyone who constantly claims familiars have to be dumb because of their low INT score is forgetting that in 5E, what we colloquially refer to as "intelligence" is not bound up entirely in INT: it is split between INT and WIS. INT is the "book smarts" side of intelligence, and the way it's handled by the rules it should have perhaps been called KNO(wledge). This is where humans excel, because we developed social systems that allow us to build on the knowledge of those who came before us. The other aspect of intelligence is WIS, and a number of beasts in the familiar category have WIS higher than the average human. Right on, I say.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BlivetWidget, post: 7633514, member: 6912801"] Birds are already smart. Have you seen the shenanigans a raven can get up to? Go watch some youtube videos of ravens solving puzzles and stuff. A recent study at Lund University (Sweden) determined that ravens have a higher IQ than chimpanzees. I've read articles in National Geographic describing them as smarter than human children as well (anecdotally described, but in fitting with the Lund findings). Now, we could argue over the meaning of IQ, but the takeaway point here is that corvids are not dumb. In fact, I'd argue that most animals are far [I]far [/I]more intelligent than most people give them credit for. The only reason people think animals are dumb is because we can't communicate with them. And you know, we haven't found a way to speak their language either, despite our significant advantage of written language (more on that in a moment). Point the second... everyone who constantly claims familiars have to be dumb because of their low INT score is forgetting that in 5E, what we colloquially refer to as "intelligence" is not bound up entirely in INT: it is split between INT and WIS. INT is the "book smarts" side of intelligence, and the way it's handled by the rules it should have perhaps been called KNO(wledge). This is where humans excel, because we developed social systems that allow us to build on the knowledge of those who came before us. The other aspect of intelligence is WIS, and a number of beasts in the familiar category have WIS higher than the average human. Right on, I say. [/QUOTE]
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