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<blockquote data-quote="HEL Pit Fiend" data-source="post: 274313" data-attributes="member: 5971">Exactly!!!&nbsp; Just because the ride-by-attack feat DOESN'T say that you can ride your mount backwards while making an attack, doesn't mean you CAN.&nbsp; Like you said it comes down to common sense.Most people reading the rules for the first time on applying multiple metas on spells would tend to believe that the authors are talking about applying different metas to the same spell.&nbsp; Afterall, all the examples are demonstrating different metas, not the same one over and over.Unfortunately, in our extended group, we have 3 mid to high level wizards who have chosen their feats (or more precisely, have not needed to choose certain feats) based solely on the ablility to stack Empower Spell on itself.&nbsp; Too many people now depend on the stackablilty of Empower because their whole feat selecton strategy for the last 15 or so levels is based on that ability.Btw, stacking empower never bothered me untill the ELH came out.&nbsp; I said &quot;ohh cool, maybe there will be a some new damage increasing metamagic feats in there that can be useful.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ya right.&nbsp; I guess if you want a little &quot;flavor&quot; and want to take the &quot;Epic&quot; Enhance Spell or &quot;Epic&quot; Intensify Spell feats, knock yourself out, but the &quot;stacking&quot; non-epic Empower Spell does AT LEAST the same, if not better.When in doubt: Empower!!!!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HEL Pit Fiend, post: 274313, member: 5971"] Exactly!!! Just because the ride-by-attack feat DOESN'T say that you can ride your mount backwards while making an attack, doesn't mean you CAN. Like you said it comes down to common sense. Most people reading the rules for the first time on applying multiple metas on spells would tend to believe that the authors are talking about applying different metas to the same spell. Afterall, all the examples are demonstrating different metas, not the same one over and over. Unfortunately, in our extended group, we have 3 mid to high level wizards who have chosen their feats (or more precisely, have not needed to choose certain feats) based solely on the ablility to stack Empower Spell on itself. Too many people now depend on the stackablilty of Empower because their whole feat selecton strategy for the last 15 or so levels is based on that ability. Btw, stacking empower never bothered me untill the ELH came out. I said "ohh cool, maybe there will be a some new damage increasing metamagic feats in there that can be useful." Ya right. I guess if you want a little "flavor" and want to take the "Epic" Enhance Spell or "Epic" Intensify Spell feats, knock yourself out, but the "stacking" non-epic Empower Spell does AT LEAST the same, if not better. When in doubt: Empower!!!! [/QUOTE]

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