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Message: <blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 302330" data-attributes="member: 96">Is anybody actually reading my examples?I don't think you are.  Marshall, HEL - go back and look.I have proven Enhance's effectiveness with Fireball vs. Fireball.I have proven Enhance's effectiveness with Delayed Blast Fireball vs. DBF.I have proven Enhance's effectiveness with Horrid Wilting vs. Horrid Wilting.Here's one example.  If you scroll up you'll see where I got this from.  Please note that each caster in this example is using exactly the same number of feats.  They are the same level. Everything is equal about them except the way that they have spent their feats.Horrid Wilting vs. Horrid WiltingNotice that the spell uses Horrid Wilting as the example.  By your argument, Marshall, this would be less effective than Empower because each Empower adds 12.5d8 of damage, while each Enhance adds only 10d8.But you are not looking far enough.  After using Enhance once, you can then put Empower onto the spell - and each Empower now adds 17.5d8.  If you use Enhance twice each Empower will add 22.5d8.  You will get more damage from the same amount of feats.I have run the numbers.  It works with or without Improved Metamagic, and I will be happy to post as many different examples as it takes to convince you.  I can even make a nice chart if that will help.J</blockquote>