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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Anubis" data-source="post: 303698" data-attributes="member: 2358">THE ANSWERWho needs the Sage when you've got me around?I'm not coming up with anything TOO brilliant here, though . . .Guys, with Enhance Spell vs. Intensify Spell vs. Empower Spell, we've been looking at it ALL WRONG!  Duh!!  This is so silly!!!We've all said crap about how this combo does this and that combo does that, but we haven't actually APPLIED these theories to realistic circumstances in the game as of yet!With that, I am hereby acknowledging that I was WRONG, and that Enhance Spell and Intensify Spell are both VERY useful!Here's why:First off, as far as raw power goes, *in the end*, Empower Spell DOES still beat Enhance Spell and Intensify Spell EVERY TIME.  We're not comparing the feats correctly though.Yeah, if you use Empower Spell to cast Fireball at a 16th level slot, it's gonna do more than Enhance Spell combined with Intensify Spell . . . What we failed to realize, however, is that the Ehanced and Intensified Fireball, although weaker in power, is only a 5th level spell!  In other words, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE WEAKER!The best bet is to take ALL THREE FEATS, because then you can deal, at Level 32, 240 damage with that 5th level spell, and ALSO deal 262.5 damage with a 16th level spell!  This, however, does question the actual usefulness of EMPOWER SPELL, because the increase in power is marginal at best for a spell slot 11 levels above the other!Better yet, you can get a 10th level Metero Swarm to do an easy 480 damage using Intensify Spell!Can you believe we've all been so stupid as to question Enhance Spell and Intensify Spell when we've been comparing 5th level spells to 16th level spells?!  Sheesh . . .Mark this day, folks . . . ANUNIS WAS WRONG!It just took some actual math using a real character to igure it out!Keep up with me here . . .Let's take four Level 35 Wizards.  One takes Improved Spell Capacity up to 18th level spells and Improved Metamagic once.  The second takes Improved Spell Capacity up to 14th level spells, Enhance Spell, Intensify Spell, and Improved Metamagic three times.  The third is the same as the second, except without Intensify Spell and with Improved Spell Capacity up to 15th level.  The fourth takes Enhance Spell three times, Inproved Metamagic three times, and Improved Spell Capacity up to 12th level spells.Here's the math, with each Wizard casting the same level spells along with their most powerful spell, using average damage where applicable:5th level spell:Wizard 1: 2x Empowered Fireball; 35 + (17.5 * 2) = 70Wizard 2: Enhanced Intensified Fireball; 120 * 2 = 240Wizard 3: Enhanced Empowered Fireball; 70 + (35 * 1) = 105Wizard 4: 2x Enhanced Fireball; 10510th level spell:Wizard 1: 7x Empowered Fireball; 35 + (17.5 * 7) = 157.5Wizard 2: Intensified Meteor Swarm; 240 * 2 = 480Wizard 3: Enhanced Empowered Horrid Wilting; 122.5 + (61.25 * 1) = 183.75Wizard 4: 2x Enhanced Intensified Delayed Blast Fireball; 420Most Powerful:Wizard 1: 10x Empowered Horrid Wilting; 87.5 + (43.75 * 10) = 525; 18th level spellWizard 2: Enhanced 5x Empowered Horrid Wilting; 122.5 + (61.25 * 5) = 428.75; 14th level spellWizard 3: Enhanced 6x Empowered Horrid Wilting; 122.5 + (61.25 * 6) = 490; 15th levelWizard 4: 3x Enhanced Intensified Fireball; 420; 7th levelAs you can see, although Empower Spell wins, it does so only by a very slight margin, and it taks a MUCH higher level spell to do so!So Enhance Spell and Intensify Spell ARE good choices!Hope this ends this discussion and helps everybody!  Later!</blockquote>

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