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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Anubis" data-source="post: 306268" data-attributes="member: 2358">Okay, after going back and doing the math once again with the correct figures, here are the results I have obtained.First, the basics: ISC=Improved Spell Capacity, ES=Enhance Spell, IS=Intensify Spell, IM=Improved Metamagic.Here are the wizards, each Level 35 with 10 feats in epic levels . . . Wizard 1: ISCx9, IM . . . Wizard 2: ISCx2, ES, IS, IMx6 . . . Wizard 3: ISCx6, ES, IMx3 . . . Wizard 4: ISC, ESx2, IS, IMx6 . . .Here's the math, with each Wizard casting the same level spells along with their most powerful spell, including average damage where applicable:Note: I am giving the range of damage instead of actually showing the math and dice, because only people who already know the game math basics (such as average d6 damage is 3.5 and average d8 damage is 4.5, or that you round all fractions down) about how the damage dice work and such need bother reading this.  To others, this will mean almost nothing.5th level spell:Wizard 1: 2x Empowered Fireball; 20-120 damage, average 70Wizard 2: Enhanced Intensified Fireball; 240 damageWizard 3: Enhanced Empowered Fireball; 30-180 damage, average 105Wizard 4: 2x Enhanced Fireball; 30-180 damage, average 105Wizard 2 wins easily with Enhance Spell and Intensify Spell, leaving the others in the dust.10th level spell:Wizard 1: 7x Empowered Fireball; 45-270 damage, average 157.5Wizard 2: Intensified Meteor Swarm; 576 damageWizard 3: Enhanced Empowered Horrid Wilting; 52-420 damage, average 236Wizard 4: 2x Enhanced Intensified Delayed Blast Fireball; 420 damageWizard 2 wins once again, and by an even bigger margin than before.Highest Level:Wizard 1: 10x Empowered Horrid Wilting; 18th level spell; 145-1200 damage, average 672Wizard 2: Enhanced 2x Empowered Horrid Wilting; 11th level spell; 69-560 damage, average 314Wizard 3: Enhanced 6x Empowered Horrid Wilting; 15th level spell; 137-1120, average 628Wizard 4: Enhanced Intensified Horrid Wilting; 10th level spell; 560 damageOnly now does Wizard 1, using only Empower Spell, win.  Notice, however, that his most powerful spell is an 18TH LEVEL SPELL, while all the others are casting more spells at lower levels . . . You make the call as to which is truly more powerful . . .As you can see, Empower Spell gives the most power POTENTIAL, but Enhance Spell and Intensify Spell gives you MORE spells that are nearly as powerful at MUCH lower levels!  If you only plan to cast one big one, Wizard 1 is the best.  If you're facing an army, better bring one of the others.BONUS: Let's bump all four up to LEVEL 50, with all four taking nothing but ISC from then on, except for Wizard 4 who takes ESx2 on the way . . .Most Powerful:Wizard 1: 20x Empowered Horrid Wilting; 28th level spell; 265-2200 damage, average 1232Wizard 2: Enhanced 12x Empowered Horrid Wilting; 21th level spell; 239-1960 damage, average 1099Wizard 3: Enhanced 16x Empowered Horrid Wilting; 25th level spell; 307-2520, average 1413Wizard 4: 4x Enhanced Maximized 10x Empowered Fireball; 18th level spell; 550-1800 damage, average 1175Wizard 3, combing the tactics of his three friends but without Intensify Spell, now blows ahead of the competition.What this shows is that Empower Spell, Enhance Spell, and Intensify Spell are ALL very useful, you just have to know how to use them right.  Intensify Spell is good for guaranteed damage for when you need it, and combined with Improved Metamagic, can deliver incredible damage at very low spell levels.  Enhance Spell is great for medium spell levels, especially when combined with Intensify Spell.  At the highest spell levels, Intensify Spell pales in comparison to others, as Enhance Spell and Empower Spell combing to form a very potent and deadly combination.In fact, as these four wizards gain levels, Wizard 4 will get better and better until he bypasses the others and becomes the most powerful by utilizing ALL THREE FEATS.Alone, all three feats ARE very useful, but you must make sure to compare spell levels when comparing power.  Combined, the three are deadly.My argument before was that Empower Spell always wins in the end.  The numbers do not lie, however, and that has been proven absolutely false.  Yes, Empower Spell delivers the MOST damage in the end, but remember the SPELL LEVEL behind that power, and you'll quickly notice that Empower Spell isn't quite as good as you all once thought it was.The final result of the test is that all three feats are quite useful, contrary to popular belief, including my own.Thank you.  Bye!</blockquote>

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