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Message: <blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 306686" data-attributes="member: 96">Just a few more notes, because some of these are not the best choices of feat usage!  One thing I would mention for Wizard #2 - he shouldn't be taking IMM 6 times.  3 times is sufficient to bring his Enhances down to 1 level per, and he's only using 1 metamagic feat with a greater cost than 4 levels.  At that point, IMM and ISC are equal, and he might as well buy ISC for the increased flexibility/extra spell slots.  The math will work out the same for single-spell damage, though.Same goes for Wizard #4.Wizard 4 can do slightly better with Enhanced Maximized Fireball, doing 120 hp instead of 105 average.Having the 6 IMMs (rather than 3 IMMs and 3 ISCs) does help here - but since we're dealing with 10th level spells, you're only going to have 1 slot anyway (unless you have a really high stat.)BTW, Wizard 1 should be casting a 2xEmpowered Horrid Wilting for an average of 225 damage (and a tougher save). <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> He could do the same damage with a 3xEmpowered Delayed Blast Fireball, too.Does it really matter which level it is, when each of you can only cast one of them a day anyway? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />  Unless, as previously noted, you have Int 30+ and get 10th level bonus spells.Also, Wizards 2 and 3 should be using Maximize (required for Enhance) instead of one of the Empowers, to get 359 and 674 hp average damage respectively. (Looks like Wizard 1 doesn't win after all!)  This is where Wizard 2 would have been much wiser taking only 3 levels of IMM as well...If Wizard 4 had taken IMMx3 and ISCx4 (rather than IMMx6 and ISCx1) he could cast a 2xEnhanced Intensified Delayed Blast Fireball for 560 damage, also.  That's the same damage this level (albeit with 1 lower save DC) but next level it will do more damage than the Horrid Wilting.Basically, to figure the optimum number of IMMs: look at the mm feats you are going to combine, and take enough IMMs to bring the second most expensive one down to 1/level.  When you combine it with the most expensive one, you're getting a 2-levels-for-one deal on that feat. After that you're only saving 1 level per feat, which you can beat with Improved Spellcasting Capacity.Needless to say, if you're stacking a feat multiple times (like Enhance) it could be both your first and second most expensive feat...J</blockquote>

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