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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 1973478" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p>First of all: many posters have replied with their <strong>preferences</strong>.</p><p></p><p>The original question asks us what the <strong>rules</strong> say. Under no circumstances does this process involve personal opinion - either the rules state a definite answer, or its unclear. Only then could the follow-up question of what we posters think is best become relevant.</p><p></p><p>Ok, that said, most points have already been brought up, so I'm only going to summarize:</p><p>* the character needs to be dead for True Ressurection to work at all. That is, the character's soul must be free (from the "prison of the flesh").</p><p>* Reincarnate and True Ressurection are two spells that are able to create new bodies. In all cases the old body loses its connection to the soul, and therefore cannot be brought back to life (otherwise it would be easy to create a perfect twin of yourself!). Essentially, the old body is just a lump of flesh with a superficial similarity to a certain person.</p><p>* Once you're reincarnated, every time you die and are raised, you go back to your new body. Not even True Ressurrection can change this. Reasons:</p><p>- By the rules, the old body has no connection to your soul any longer.</p><p>- By the rules, the two specific spells that do have this power are Wish and Miracle.</p><p>- By metarules: if True Ressurrection could reverse reincarnation, this would make Reincarnation into a much lesser spell - then it would not be so bad to reincarnate somebody because you're only a TR scroll away from negating the dreaded incarnation roll.</p><p></p><p>Note that Reincarnation did not have to state Wish would work, i.e. I view that statement more as a clarification than an actual rules statement. Because Wish can already create new bodies and bring them back to life (using two Wishes)! There's nothing stopping you from creating a <strong>new and improved</strong> body for you to return to life into. This works like a permanent (instantaneous actually) "true shapechange".</p><p></p><p>So, in this case the rules are clear and unambigous. </p><p></p><p>Hope that helps,</p><p>Zapp</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 1973478, member: 12731"] First of all: many posters have replied with their [B]preferences[/B]. The original question asks us what the [B]rules[/B] say. Under no circumstances does this process involve personal opinion - either the rules state a definite answer, or its unclear. Only then could the follow-up question of what we posters think is best become relevant. Ok, that said, most points have already been brought up, so I'm only going to summarize: * the character needs to be dead for True Ressurection to work at all. That is, the character's soul must be free (from the "prison of the flesh"). * Reincarnate and True Ressurection are two spells that are able to create new bodies. In all cases the old body loses its connection to the soul, and therefore cannot be brought back to life (otherwise it would be easy to create a perfect twin of yourself!). Essentially, the old body is just a lump of flesh with a superficial similarity to a certain person. * Once you're reincarnated, every time you die and are raised, you go back to your new body. Not even True Ressurrection can change this. Reasons: - By the rules, the old body has no connection to your soul any longer. - By the rules, the two specific spells that do have this power are Wish and Miracle. - By metarules: if True Ressurrection could reverse reincarnation, this would make Reincarnation into a much lesser spell - then it would not be so bad to reincarnate somebody because you're only a TR scroll away from negating the dreaded incarnation roll. Note that Reincarnation did not have to state Wish would work, i.e. I view that statement more as a clarification than an actual rules statement. Because Wish can already create new bodies and bring them back to life (using two Wishes)! There's nothing stopping you from creating a [B]new and improved[/B] body for you to return to life into. This works like a permanent (instantaneous actually) "true shapechange". So, in this case the rules are clear and unambigous. Hope that helps, Zapp [/QUOTE]
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