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<blockquote data-quote="Bozidar" data-source="post: 986615" data-attributes="member: 12946">I'm a player in a game, with the DM, and one other player.&nbsp; Our group badly needed a cleric, so my fellow player was asked to roll up a cleric.Now, to be fair, he volunteered to do so, and wasn't forced to do so.&nbsp; Anyway, the crux of our dilema is that he doesn't (or didn't) want to have some sort of higher being that he would have to have a relationship with.His idea was that his cleric, through discipline, learning, and skill, was able to harness the energies of the world about them, and used them for divine magic.Our DM balked at this idea for one central reason -- it would mean that there was no code of conduct that this character would have to follow.&nbsp; The cleric would never be in danger of becoming an ex-cleric in any way, because there was no moral standard for him to follow.With most clerics, even those getting their powers from non-god beings, such as nature, or the ocean, are expected to act somewhat in concert with that being's needs/beliefs/whatever.It's not a big negative, IMO, but it seemed like more of a big deal to our DM.&nbsp; We went back and forth all day on it, but wound up at a solution.. But, without sharing our solution, what do you guys think of this idea?Is there a rule that says that a cleric can do this?&nbsp; My fellow player insisted that it was in the PHB somewhere.&nbsp; I know there are a lot of contingency rules saying that you don't have to have a god, or a religion, but ultimately don't all clerics have to answer to some code of conduct expected of him/her by the source of the divine power?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bozidar, post: 986615, member: 12946"] I'm a player in a game, with the DM, and one other player. Our group badly needed a cleric, so my fellow player was asked to roll up a cleric. Now, to be fair, he volunteered to do so, and wasn't forced to do so. Anyway, the crux of our dilema is that he doesn't (or didn't) want to have some sort of higher being that he would have to have a relationship with. His idea was that his cleric, through discipline, learning, and skill, was able to harness the energies of the world about them, and used them for divine magic. Our DM balked at this idea for one central reason -- it would mean that there was no code of conduct that this character would have to follow. The cleric would never be in danger of becoming an ex-cleric in any way, because there was no moral standard for him to follow. With most clerics, even those getting their powers from non-god beings, such as nature, or the ocean, are expected to act somewhat in concert with that being's needs/beliefs/whatever. It's not a big negative, IMO, but it seemed like more of a big deal to our DM. We went back and forth all day on it, but wound up at a solution.. But, without sharing our solution, what do you guys think of this idea? Is there a rule that says that a cleric can do this? My fellow player insisted that it was in the PHB somewhere. I know there are a lot of contingency rules saying that you don't have to have a god, or a religion, but ultimately don't all clerics have to answer to some code of conduct expected of him/her by the source of the divine power? [/QUOTE]

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