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<blockquote data-quote="Cactot" data-source="post: 3402949" data-attributes="member: 13700"><p><strong>erm?</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>how would that be better?</p><p>when shapeshifted per the phb2 rules you lose all benefits of worn equipment</p><p>the lvl 12 forest avenger form gives you +12str, +12NA, but your natural attack damage die goes down to 1d8 from 3d6 (without being enlarged), plus your speed would go from 40' to 20'</p><p></p><p>the str bonus would really only be +8, as you would have to either bypass or delay warshaper, and you would lose out on 4 con, 2 fast healing, extra reach, and immunity to crits.</p><p></p><p>i would say equipment, +4con, +2 fast healing, +5' reach, immunity to crits and higher BAB is better than +8str (easily compensated for with magical +str and weapon enhancement equipment), and +12na (significantly less than magic armor + ring of protection + bonus to NA)</p><p>plus I really have no idea how dual wielding would work with slam attacks. To add insult to injury the shapechange variant completely prohibits spellcasting while shifted.</p><p></p><p>Also, i wasnt really looking for a completely different class/playstyle but more enhancements to the current build. Else the perfect answer to any sort of optimization build would be "become a kobold _____ and become punpun" or a less extreme example "why play a non-casting fighter, just play CoDzilla, they do everything better anyhow, as well as have spells"</p><p></p><p>if i was going go go along those lines druid/warshaper/MOMF/natures warrior would be far better.</p><p></p><p></p><p>alternatively if your suggestion was in order to qualify for the warshaper class through the shapeshifter variant, thats a brilliant idea. </p><p></p><p>feral dwarf - maxed con/str</p><p>shapeshifter druid 1</p><p>warblade/crusader? 2-5</p><p>warshaper 5-8</p><p>deepwarden 9-10</p><p>warblade/crusader 11-20 </p><p></p><p>would have HUGE HP (32 con should be achievable (18 +2dwarf +2feral +4warshaper +6magic), as well as that con to AC (say +11) that stacks with heavy armors, plus good damage with +8 to str </p><p>he would have a base ac (with no magic) of 33...</p><p>9 plate</p><p>8 con</p><p>6 natural armor</p><p>10 base</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cactot, post: 3402949, member: 13700"] [b]erm?[/b] how would that be better? when shapeshifted per the phb2 rules you lose all benefits of worn equipment the lvl 12 forest avenger form gives you +12str, +12NA, but your natural attack damage die goes down to 1d8 from 3d6 (without being enlarged), plus your speed would go from 40' to 20' the str bonus would really only be +8, as you would have to either bypass or delay warshaper, and you would lose out on 4 con, 2 fast healing, extra reach, and immunity to crits. i would say equipment, +4con, +2 fast healing, +5' reach, immunity to crits and higher BAB is better than +8str (easily compensated for with magical +str and weapon enhancement equipment), and +12na (significantly less than magic armor + ring of protection + bonus to NA) plus I really have no idea how dual wielding would work with slam attacks. To add insult to injury the shapechange variant completely prohibits spellcasting while shifted. Also, i wasnt really looking for a completely different class/playstyle but more enhancements to the current build. Else the perfect answer to any sort of optimization build would be "become a kobold _____ and become punpun" or a less extreme example "why play a non-casting fighter, just play CoDzilla, they do everything better anyhow, as well as have spells" if i was going go go along those lines druid/warshaper/MOMF/natures warrior would be far better. alternatively if your suggestion was in order to qualify for the warshaper class through the shapeshifter variant, thats a brilliant idea. feral dwarf - maxed con/str shapeshifter druid 1 warblade/crusader? 2-5 warshaper 5-8 deepwarden 9-10 warblade/crusader 11-20 would have HUGE HP (32 con should be achievable (18 +2dwarf +2feral +4warshaper +6magic), as well as that con to AC (say +11) that stacks with heavy armors, plus good damage with +8 to str he would have a base ac (with no magic) of 33... 9 plate 8 con 6 natural armor 10 base [/QUOTE]
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