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<blockquote data-quote="Savage Wombat" data-source="post: 6345811" data-attributes="member: 1932"><p>Again, you do not support your argument that a strawman is involved, or that the dichotomy is false. A lot of people thinks it describes the games they've played quite well. You're just asserting your dislike of the topic.</p><p></p><p> I do not have a strong style preference with regard to CaW. I've certainly played in that mode a lot. I just deny that there's only one other way to play.</p></blockquote><p></p><p>It doesn't sound to me like that's what you're arguing. If there's more than one end on this continuum, what CaX would you suggest?</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Ok, good. That's <strong>not </strong>what Combat as War is. That might explain why you dislike the discussion.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>1. People have said that 4e is strongly dedicated to CaS in contrast to CaW. That does not mean that one is equivalent to the other. The existence of the phrase "Combat as Sport" is not intended as a slap at 4e. (Portions of the article do suggest the writer's distaste for 4e - that's not the same thing as the core topic of the article.)</p><p>2. Open-ended might indeed mean "scene reframing", since the latter is a level of game criticism language I've not fully grokked. To the best of my understanding:</p><p></p><p>In Combat as Sport, the DM sets a scene "you see an ogre in the cave" and the players are generally expected to directly engage the ogre in some fashion (combat, magic, diplomancy, whatever) or retreat. In Combat as War, the DM's "you see an ogre in the cave" could become "we lure the ogre out of the cave and into the nearby guardpost so he can be shot with ballistae". And of course, nothing about a particular edition is required here one way or the other.</p><p></p><p>If that's scene reframing, then it's scene reframing.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Savage Wombat, post: 6345811, member: 1932"] Again, you do not support your argument that a strawman is involved, or that the dichotomy is false. A lot of people thinks it describes the games they've played quite well. You're just asserting your dislike of the topic. I do not have a strong style preference with regard to CaW. I've certainly played in that mode a lot. I just deny that there's only one other way to play.[/QUOTE] It doesn't sound to me like that's what you're arguing. If there's more than one end on this continuum, what CaX would you suggest? Ok, good. That's [B]not [/B]what Combat as War is. That might explain why you dislike the discussion. 1. People have said that 4e is strongly dedicated to CaS in contrast to CaW. That does not mean that one is equivalent to the other. The existence of the phrase "Combat as Sport" is not intended as a slap at 4e. (Portions of the article do suggest the writer's distaste for 4e - that's not the same thing as the core topic of the article.) 2. Open-ended might indeed mean "scene reframing", since the latter is a level of game criticism language I've not fully grokked. To the best of my understanding: In Combat as Sport, the DM sets a scene "you see an ogre in the cave" and the players are generally expected to directly engage the ogre in some fashion (combat, magic, diplomancy, whatever) or retreat. In Combat as War, the DM's "you see an ogre in the cave" could become "we lure the ogre out of the cave and into the nearby guardpost so he can be shot with ballistae". And of course, nothing about a particular edition is required here one way or the other. If that's scene reframing, then it's scene reframing. [/QUOTE]
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