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<blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 7381781" data-attributes="member: 2629">*If* both the hider and perceiver are proficient.&nbsp; If not, there is a relative advantage gained by the proficient party.This is incorrect.&nbsp; Being invisible and hidden are two separate things.&nbsp; There are a lot of threads on this topic.&nbsp; Turning invisible does not hide your location from an enemy, and does not give you the benefits of being hidden.&nbsp; A lot of people site the Predator films as an example of the invisibility granted generally.The knowledge check requiring an action is a weaker example - some DMs require it, others do not (for the reasons noted here).&nbsp; As the rules are a bit ambiguous on when an action is required, some DMs require a clearer rule that an action is used whenever a skill check is made while others take a more intuitive approach and use judgment.&nbsp; Many, perhaps even most, DMs do not require an action to recall something.&nbsp; In my games, you get passive knowledge checks unless you spend an action to exercise your brain.&nbsp; I implemented the interpretation early and have stayed consistent with it, but recognize the flaws in it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jgsugden, post: 7381781, member: 2629"] *If* both the hider and perceiver are proficient. If not, there is a relative advantage gained by the proficient party. This is incorrect. Being invisible and hidden are two separate things. There are a lot of threads on this topic. Turning invisible does not hide your location from an enemy, and does not give you the benefits of being hidden. A lot of people site the Predator films as an example of the invisibility granted generally. The knowledge check requiring an action is a weaker example - some DMs require it, others do not (for the reasons noted here). As the rules are a bit ambiguous on when an action is required, some DMs require a clearer rule that an action is used whenever a skill check is made while others take a more intuitive approach and use judgment. Many, perhaps even most, DMs do not require an action to recall something. In my games, you get passive knowledge checks unless you spend an action to exercise your brain. I implemented the interpretation early and have stayed consistent with it, but recognize the flaws in it. [/QUOTE]

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