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<blockquote data-quote="buzz" data-source="post: 2388526" data-attributes="member: 6777">Do any of the d20-derived products count? None of them are allowed to have &quot;D&amp;D&quot; on the product.The problem ith this question is that no RPG in the history of earth has been as &quot;successful&quot; in terms of sales as those tied to D&amp;D. You're asking wether d20 would have taken over 60% of the market had it not been tied to D&amp;D, and that's unlikely. It is, however, entirely likely that it would have competed well with the other fish in the pond.The more appropriate question to ask if you're questioning the power of branding over quality is whether the D&amp;D brand is so much more important that it can save a crappy product. As we saw with 2e (leaving room for the poor business practices of TSR), the brand was not enough. We've also seen many examples of systems tied to popular brands, and the brands didn't help. E.g., Superman and Batman are probably as recognizeable as Mickey Mouse globally, but that didn't keep the DC Universe RPG from being a flop.The brand has power, but it doesn't have ALL the power. If WotC had released AD&amp;D2.5 instead of D&amp;D/d20, I doubt ENWorld would even exist.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="buzz, post: 2388526, member: 6777"] Do any of the d20-derived products count? None of them are allowed to have "D&D" on the product. The problem ith this question is that no RPG in the history of earth has been as "successful" in terms of sales as those tied to D&D. You're asking wether d20 would have taken over 60% of the market had it not been tied to D&D, and that's unlikely. It is, however, entirely likely that it would have competed well with the other fish in the pond. The more appropriate question to ask if you're questioning the power of branding over quality is whether the D&D brand is so much more important that it can save a crappy product. As we saw with 2e (leaving room for the poor business practices of TSR), the brand was not enough. We've also seen many examples of systems tied to popular brands, and the brands didn't help. E.g., Superman and Batman are probably as recognizeable as Mickey Mouse globally, but that didn't keep the [i]DC Universe[/i] RPG from being a flop. The brand has power, but it doesn't have ALL the power. If WotC had released AD&D2.5 instead of D&D/d20, I doubt ENWorld would even exist. [/QUOTE]

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