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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 2389256" data-attributes="member: 2205"><p>Your English has been perfectly fine; but your arguments have been less than clear.</p><p></p><p>WRONG! Dancey said no such thing. Go back and reread what he did say. He AT NO POINT made any claim that even closely resembles that. He also made no great claims for "scientificness" of his claims -- he merely said that based on some observation of his, his opinion was that the stated benefit of rules lite games (saving time; faster pace) is not realized.</p><p></p><p>Yes, you did. You didn't clarify that IN YOUR EXPERIENCE stuff until I called you on it, and now you're trying to say that's what you were doing all along. You made statements about 3e that were anecdotal and specific to YOU and YOUR CONDITION, but initially at least, presented them as irrefutable facts. You tried to exclude 3e from being rules lite by a number of criteria, that I disputed, saying that FOR ME, 3e is rules lite by your criteria.</p><p></p><p>In addition, your WHOLE POINT in bringing up your scientific credentials was to discredit anything Dancey said, by showing that you know more about statistics then he did, and that his "experiment" wasn't scientific. HOWEVER, since Dancey never claimed that it was, and your own experiences, as I pointed out several times, were even less scientific in spite of your claimed expertise, I'm <em>still</em> questioning what the point of bringing that up was supposed to be.</p><p></p><p>I've never said if I agree with Dancey one way or another for one thing. And that's pretty rich of you to <em>now</em> try and make that point, as that was the WHOLE POINT of my reply; to take you to task for doing EXACTLY what you are now accusing Dancey of doing.</p><p></p><p>Quite right. And I have not said anything uncivil. If you percieve that to be the case, I can only deduce that you are overly sensitive to having it pointed out that you are wrong. If that's the case, then that's not my problem.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 2389256, member: 2205"] Your English has been perfectly fine; but your arguments have been less than clear. WRONG! Dancey said no such thing. Go back and reread what he did say. He AT NO POINT made any claim that even closely resembles that. He also made no great claims for "scientificness" of his claims -- he merely said that based on some observation of his, his opinion was that the stated benefit of rules lite games (saving time; faster pace) is not realized. Yes, you did. You didn't clarify that IN YOUR EXPERIENCE stuff until I called you on it, and now you're trying to say that's what you were doing all along. You made statements about 3e that were anecdotal and specific to YOU and YOUR CONDITION, but initially at least, presented them as irrefutable facts. You tried to exclude 3e from being rules lite by a number of criteria, that I disputed, saying that FOR ME, 3e is rules lite by your criteria. In addition, your WHOLE POINT in bringing up your scientific credentials was to discredit anything Dancey said, by showing that you know more about statistics then he did, and that his "experiment" wasn't scientific. HOWEVER, since Dancey never claimed that it was, and your own experiences, as I pointed out several times, were even less scientific in spite of your claimed expertise, I'm [i]still[/i] questioning what the point of bringing that up was supposed to be. I've never said if I agree with Dancey one way or another for one thing. And that's pretty rich of you to [i]now[/i] try and make that point, as that was the WHOLE POINT of my reply; to take you to task for doing EXACTLY what you are now accusing Dancey of doing. Quite right. And I have not said anything uncivil. If you percieve that to be the case, I can only deduce that you are overly sensitive to having it pointed out that you are wrong. If that's the case, then that's not my problem. [/QUOTE]
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