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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shadowslayer" data-source="post: 2392499" data-attributes="member: 8400">LOL  he said cheese poops. As an aside, my group always had a "no cheesie snacks" houserule. AFter all, after having paid like 150 bucks for the core rules, then splat books, monster books etc, and you dont wanna get orange fingerprints all over everything.Anyway, just to address something someone wrote earlier. It bears repeating that C&C is a new system, and that the second main book JUST came out.  I hear guys talking about dcs for jumping over pits etc, and I think this stuff is all still forthcoming in the CKG. There seems to be the impression that its simply DM fiat just cuz the dc for various tasks are not laid out in full.  Thats not entirely true. Any DM CK worth his salt is going to have some sort of system in place that the players will be made aware of. Players do need to have an idea of their characters capabilities so they can make judgements on a course of action. And I'd quit a game myself where the DM kept me guessing all the time what my character was capable of.I love roleplaying, and I enjoy playing 3e too. My main beef with 3e is the constant glut of books. I've always been a "PHB only" player, but then again Ive always had other hobbies besides roleplaying games too. Im the guy who hears someone say "PHB only? How restrictive." and thinks "jeez, you got 77 different race/class combos in the core book, not counting multiclassing and PRCs, and that aint enough choice for ya?" But I dont say it because I dont want to restrict anyones fun, but Ill admit it does sour me on D&D a bit. But the game itself is great.  My love for C&C is mainly because it gives me more bang for my buck as a DM. Prep is more fun, I dont need a computer app whenever I need a bunch of NPCs. Admittedly, I also have less to think about during combat, as theres little in the way of monster feats etc.  I also notice that my group is having as much fun as the last group I played D&D with, and the campaign is cracking along at a quicker pace then my 3e campaign ever did. So its all good. I think. Admittedly, Ive been trying to figure out the ultimate point of this thread and have so far been unsuccessful.</blockquote>

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