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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5385845" data-attributes="member: 82106">The HP thing is vexing because one interpretation makes it practically impossible to ever get the bonus, and the other interpretation makes it virtually assured you will get the bonus. A really high initiative ranger (which is after all not too unlikely) might still find use for it under the more restrictive interpretation, but it certainly becomes a VERY niche power. OTOH they might as well not have included that aspect at all if you only have to beat one other creature. That will happen only once in a very long time, probably never with a ranger having any decent DEX at all.The RAI argument with Cunning Stalker is pretty good. I do think by RAW it works from range. Whether it SHOULD or not is a whole other discussion. Not having built any Thieves yet I won't even venture an opinion on that one.</blockquote>