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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6634346" data-attributes="member: 5834">Wouldn't it be simpler for the DM to tell the player to call his maneuvering strike, &quot;Meepo's Bait and Hook&quot; blow and make it a trained maneuver that allows the player to do extra damage and the bonus effect. One doesn't necessarily need to come before the other does it?Maneuvering Blow, Precise Strike, and the like are generic names that in the fiction a player might name something else. Wouldn't it be easier and better for the fiction to look at them as trained maneuvers similar to a side kick or hip throw in martial arts?\To answer the original question, maneuvers are bonus damage and a special effect, neither one more important than the other. They do not require either to activate the maneuver. For example, you could do a leg sweep and fail to knock the person down, you would still do damage the lower the legs if you hit. Or a side kick is still powerful enough to knock someone back, but it doesn't make it any less powerful if you don't knock the individual down. The maneuver causes extra damage and the possibility of another effect. Neither one is dependent on the other.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 6634346, member: 5834"] Wouldn't it be simpler for the DM to tell the player to call his maneuvering strike, "Meepo's Bait and Hook" blow and make it a trained maneuver that allows the player to do extra damage and the bonus effect. One doesn't necessarily need to come before the other does it? Maneuvering Blow, Precise Strike, and the like are generic names that in the fiction a player might name something else. Wouldn't it be easier and better for the fiction to look at them as trained maneuvers similar to a side kick or hip throw in martial arts?\ To answer the original question, maneuvers are bonus damage and a special effect, neither one more important than the other. They do not require either to activate the maneuver. For example, you could do a leg sweep and fail to knock the person down, you would still do damage the lower the legs if you hit. Or a side kick is still powerful enough to knock someone back, but it doesn't make it any less powerful if you don't knock the individual down. The maneuver causes extra damage and the possibility of another effect. Neither one is dependent on the other. [/QUOTE]

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