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<blockquote data-quote="Shiroiken" data-source="post: 8102832" data-attributes="member: 6775477">I've never understood the concept of &quot;extending a short rest into a long rest.&quot; Either you're taking a short rest, which simply requires everyone to take minimal activity, or you're taking a long rest, which requires everyone to have only 2 hours of minimal activity (or 1 hour of minimal and 1 hour of strenuous). To &quot;extend&quot; a short rest into a long one requires that everyone spend 1 of those minimal activity hours up front, leaving 7 hours of watch to be broken up among the party. Unless you have an elf or 7 characters, this leave the party vulnerable.As I mentioned elsewhere, there are always more than 8 hours available for a long rest each day, barring extreme situations (like 4+ hours of forced marching). It makes far more logical sense to have a short rest, followed by the traditional long rest. This gives the PCs time to refresh short rest abilities and spend HD (if desired) in case of interruptions during the long rest. If this short rest is interrupted, you still have plenty of time to start over before the long rest. The only time this should be an issue is if the DM is being a jerk, interrupting every short rest to prevent them, in which case your issues are far more severe.This is why I said that it's only when the DM contradicts something explicit that it's not RAW, but a houserule. The HD of a fighter is explicit, but the damage of magic missile is not. Do you roll for each missile, or only once for all of them? Intuitively you want to roll for each missile, but the rule on rolling damage for spells implies that you should only roll once. Neither is explicitly correct, thus leaving it to DM interpretation (SA says roll once).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shiroiken, post: 8102832, member: 6775477"] I've never understood the concept of "extending a short rest into a long rest." Either you're taking a short rest, which simply requires everyone to take minimal activity, or you're taking a long rest, which requires everyone to have only 2 hours of minimal activity (or 1 hour of minimal and 1 hour of strenuous). To "extend" a short rest into a long one requires that everyone spend 1 of those minimal activity hours up front, leaving 7 hours of watch to be broken up among the party. Unless you have an elf or 7 characters, this leave the party vulnerable. As I mentioned elsewhere, there are always more than 8 hours available for a long rest each day, barring extreme situations (like 4+ hours of forced marching). It makes far more logical sense to have a short rest, followed by the traditional long rest. This gives the PCs time to refresh short rest abilities and spend HD (if desired) in case of interruptions during the long rest. If this short rest is interrupted, you still have plenty of time to start over before the long rest. The only time this should be an issue is if the DM is being a jerk, interrupting every short rest to prevent them, in which case your issues are far more severe. This is why I said that it's only when the DM contradicts something explicit that it's not RAW, but a houserule. The HD of a fighter is explicit, but the damage of magic missile is not. Do you roll for each missile, or only once for all of them? Intuitively you want to roll for each missile, but the rule on rolling damage for spells implies that you should only roll once. Neither is explicitly correct, thus leaving it to DM interpretation (SA says roll once). [/QUOTE]

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