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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RigaMortus2" data-source="post: 3288900" data-attributes="member: 11586">Per my post above, I would approach these the same way...First, you as DM have to decide how the BBEG is going to initially react to the PCs.  If he is initially going to be hostile, then there is no issue here, as soon as he detects the PCs, he's going to drop into combat.  If the BBEG is feeling cocky or just wants to see what the PCs are there for, he might wait to see if the PCs make the first move.  In this case, he is initially NOt hostile to them (meaning, he isn't planning to just attack/kill them as soon as he sees them).Second, the same thing for the PCs.  Ask them what they intend to do.   Do they intend to blast the guy as soon as they see him?  That would make combat start right away.  Or do the PCs intend to "read him his rights" (so to speak)?If you determine that either side is initially going to be hostile, then you would start combat/roll init as soon as you (the DM) deem appropriate).  If both sides want to hear what the other side has to say, at least initially, then don't roll init/start combat.  When in "non-combat mode" let them speak/act freely until the action(s) of one party would seem threatening to the other.  Then enforce a Sense Motive check for the opponent to make a hunch (DC 20) to see if he thinks something is "off".  One of a few possibilities will happen:(A) No one succeeds on the Sense Motive check, the PC or BBEG (whichever is provoking the action) gets a surprise round, then roll for init(B) Everyone succeeds on the Sense Motive check, roll for init as normal.(C) Some succeed on the Sense Motive check, those that succeed get a surprise round (roll for init to determine the order), then after the surprise round resolves, roll for init for those who have not yet acted.</blockquote>

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