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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 6309526" data-attributes="member: 18">EDITED as agreed - <3 RC D&D 4ever.But yes, Mistwell, it is pretty bad conjecture on my part <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />, I was just pointing out that the fact that D&D collapsed post-1984 might mean some things about it could have been improved. Hindsight is 20/20 etc. of course.One thing I do note is that a lot of DM advice (not from BD&D, I feel, but from Dragon, Gary Gygax book etc.) from that era was godawful, and usually went along the lines of "Be an adversarial jerk, pull mean tricks on the PCs, and generally lord it over them!", which like, if that was my experience of D&D, I wouldn't have gone back. I know some people took it to heart, because the first group of established D&D players I played with (I DM'd for them) were ex-1E, and it was clear they'd been scarred for life by that kind of DMing. Not that all 1E groups were like that - the person who taught me played 1E, of course, but she was from a very different strand - I guess she didn't get or rejected the memos about being a jerk and killing the PCs and laughing and so on. Again, not saying that's BD&D's advice. Pretty sure it wasn't. But somehow that advice seemed to get pretty disseminated in the '80s. I know I read some pretty "why would you do that..." stuff in Dragon at the end of the '80s/very early '90s.</blockquote>

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