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<blockquote data-quote="thewok" data-source="post: 4206570" data-attributes="member: 60907"><p>I'm not sure if people are immune to Intimidate, so much as most uses of it. TO use the Duke as an example:</p><p></p><p>"The goblins are beating down at our kingdom's doorstep, and if you won't send troops to help, I swear to the gods I will run you through right here and find someone who will!"</p><p></p><p>Perfectly plausible Intimidate scenario. But, really, the duke didn't get his position by being a moron. All you've accomplished is to threaten the life of a noble in full view of a number of witnesses. He's not scared; he's laughing at how much of an idiot you are.</p><p></p><p>But try this one:</p><p></p><p>"We have begged and pleaded. Now we tell you. Send the troops, or my associate here will spill your daughter's blood all over your fine ... rug. Where did you get this, by the way? It's a wonderful piece of craftsmanship."</p><p></p><p>Another plausible Intimidation attempt. This one might work. If the Duke is a family man, he just might risk everything he holds to save the life of his daughter. However. The use of this tactic as Intimdation is evil, and a hero would never think to do so. A neutral person might employ it as a Bluff, but even a Chaotic Neutral (to use old-school alignment terms) wouldn't actually go about doing it.</p><p></p><p>That's what the difference is to me.</p><p></p><p>As far as 4E goes, I can't really say that I like how they are, or that I think they should change in such-and-such a way until I've actually played with the system a bit.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="thewok, post: 4206570, member: 60907"] I'm not sure if people are immune to Intimidate, so much as most uses of it. TO use the Duke as an example: "The goblins are beating down at our kingdom's doorstep, and if you won't send troops to help, I swear to the gods I will run you through right here and find someone who will!" Perfectly plausible Intimidate scenario. But, really, the duke didn't get his position by being a moron. All you've accomplished is to threaten the life of a noble in full view of a number of witnesses. He's not scared; he's laughing at how much of an idiot you are. But try this one: "We have begged and pleaded. Now we tell you. Send the troops, or my associate here will spill your daughter's blood all over your fine ... rug. Where did you get this, by the way? It's a wonderful piece of craftsmanship." Another plausible Intimidation attempt. This one might work. If the Duke is a family man, he just might risk everything he holds to save the life of his daughter. However. The use of this tactic as Intimdation is evil, and a hero would never think to do so. A neutral person might employ it as a Bluff, but even a Chaotic Neutral (to use old-school alignment terms) wouldn't actually go about doing it. That's what the difference is to me. As far as 4E goes, I can't really say that I like how they are, or that I think they should change in such-and-such a way until I've actually played with the system a bit. [/QUOTE]
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