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<blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 4207097" data-attributes="member: 5890">Just a point - I don't have a copy of the 4e rules, so obviously any specific references to rules that I make are going to be referring to 3.5 mechanics unless otherwise mentioned so can we quit all the unproductive pedantry please?&quot;Lend us your troops or we'll leave you to sit in the mess you've created&quot;&quot;Lend us your troops or we'll report to the king that you should be left to sort out the mess you've created&quot;&quot;Lend us your troops or we'll report to the king that you're incompetent and should be replaced&quot;&quot;Lend us your troops or we'll report to the king that you're incompetent and should be executed&quot;&quot;Lend us your troops or Thunk, as a member of the kings Justiciars, authorised to be judge, jury and executioner, will find you incompetent to rule and execute you in accordance with the kings law&quot;&quot;Lend us your troops or Thunk will punch you in the face&quot;At what point does intimidation start and diplomacy end?Diplomacy would be used for bribery - you're trying to get someone to do something by striking a deal.If you're good at diplomacy, you stop doing it after the first time someone reacts negatively to it.Causality. You choose your skills and then you play the game, not vice versa (usually - although it seems 4e might be tinkering with that, according to rumors)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Saeviomagy, post: 4207097, member: 5890"] Just a point - I don't have a copy of the 4e rules, so obviously any specific references to rules that I make are going to be referring to 3.5 mechanics unless otherwise mentioned so can we quit all the unproductive pedantry please? "Lend us your troops or we'll leave you to sit in the mess you've created" "Lend us your troops or we'll report to the king that you should be left to sort out the mess you've created" "Lend us your troops or we'll report to the king that you're incompetent and should be replaced" "Lend us your troops or we'll report to the king that you're incompetent and should be executed" "Lend us your troops or Thunk, as a member of the kings Justiciars, authorised to be judge, jury and executioner, will find you incompetent to rule and execute you in accordance with the kings law" "Lend us your troops or Thunk will punch you in the face" At what point does intimidation start and diplomacy end? Diplomacy would be used for bribery - you're trying to get someone to do something by striking a deal. If you're good at diplomacy, you stop doing it after the first time someone reacts negatively to it. Causality. You choose your skills and then you play the game, not vice versa (usually - although it seems 4e might be tinkering with that, according to rumors) [/QUOTE]

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